Well, I guess those of you who don't like it don't have to attend or watch events, we won't force you. I'm sure Pontiac has its reasons, not the least of which is getting rid of the "GM sucks" attitude that most younger ppl have. Changing this attitude is especially important in the import dominated west coast, where drifting just happens to be most popular.

 

Gay marriages are most popular out there too, but I don't like that either.

 

Me either, but then, thats why I live in the Mid West. Don't have to worry about running into too much of that

 

ha-ha.

first of all, i was under the impression that we were talking about motor sports. secondly, if they were popular enough or at least growing in popularity, then why couldn't it be possible? soccer (football) isn't a popular sport here. by your logic it wouldn't be a sport either, because it gets little recognition here. but you don't know how huge it is in the rest of the world.

there's a reason drifting is gaining populairty. its FUN to people. even though i'll say right now, i'm not really a fan of it. but i'm open minded enough not to label it and brand it out of the gate because i'm not into it.

speaking of open minded:
besides being the most closed minded thing I've read today, WTF does this have to do with anything here? this is besides the fact that not a single state in the west has legal gay marrage. then again, we tend not to marry our cousins here either unlike some other places i hear about...

 

You just aren't getting it.

In drifting, who wins?? And how do you measure the performance?

It's all subjective. Call it a skill, call it 'art' even, if you want to go that far... but how can you call it a sport when you can not define a clear winner.

Soccer is a sport. Something doesn;t have to be popular to be a sport. In soccer, you win.. 2-1.

In football, you win 27-17.

In hockey, you win 4-2.

In baseball, you win 7-5.

In NASCAR, you win... by finishing 1st.

In drifting you win by........ ????? impressing who?!?!?!


Get the idea???

 

Geez, you guys are closed-minded. Have any of you in the "hate drifting" column ever taken your car to a track day at a road course? Fun, huh? And it doesn't have to be about "winning". It's about having fun, and developing driving technique. Drifting is obviously not the fast way around the track. But it certainly requires a lot of skill, and it IS a lot of fun (my impression, based on "drifting" accidentally or intentionally a number of times at track days). Does it belong on Speed Channel, or GrassRoots Motorsport magazine? Of course it does!

Some of you guys fit the negative f-body stereotype all to well. You just LOVE to HATE what you don't understand.

 

That's all fine and good.


It's still not a SPORT .

 

So what if it is or isn't a called a "SPORT"?

Here's a little something to read that might illustrate the irrelevance of what a thing is "called" vs. what a thing "is":


The White Knight's Song by Lewis Carroll
``You are sad'', the Knight said in an anxious tone: ``let me sing you a song to comfort you.''

``Is it very long?'' Alice asked, for she had heard a good deal of poetry that day.

``It's long,'' said the Knight, ``but it's very, very beautiful. Everybody that hears me sing it - either it brings the tears into their eyes, or else -''

``Or else what?'' said Alice, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.

``Or else it doesn't, you know. The name of the song is called 'Haddocks' Eyes'.''

``Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?'' Alice said, trying to feel interested.

``No, you don't understand,'' the Knight said, looking a little vexed. ``That is what the name is called. The name really is 'The Aged Aged Man'.''

``Then I ought to have said 'That's what the song is called?' '' Alice corrected herself.

``No, you oughtn't: that's quite another thing! The song is called `Ways And Means': but that's only what it's called, you know!''

``Well, what is the song, then?'' said Alice, who was by this time completely bewildered.

``I was coming to that,'' the Knight said. ``The song really is `A-sitting On A Gate': and the tune's my own invention.''

 

OK, I have a solution...

We'll just call any fun, automotive related activity Auto Cabbage.

 

Progress!!

Auto Cabbage it is

 

Woohoo!!

 

You guys are all right, GM is wasting money.

Now if you'll excuse me, Im going to go trim my mullet, grab my Molly Hatchet 8 track and go crusin in my 91 RS with primer and 205/90/14 tires.

 

I've owned numerous RWD and FWD vehicles, and I ALWAYS could control my FWD better sliding around turns. And while my IROC/AUTO is VERY good at 4-wheel drifting around turns, I always have to let up on the fuel to keep from jumping a curb...Where I come from moonshiners were doing this in the 1920's, only they called it power-sliding...it was great for losing Fed's on twisty roads...Later organized Moonshiner races evolved into NASCAR...
While I don't like how commercialized NASCAR has become, I certainly would do some research before calling it a NO-Skill, boring race. YOU try running in a pack of 24 cars @ 197MPH, less than a couple of feet apart! Gives a WHOLE NEW MEANING TO THE WORD DRIFT ! , it's an edurance race, and an lesson in aerodynamics as well as fine points of chassis tuning, minute air pressure changes etc...You(anyone) really should carefully OBSERVE one before calling it BORING....



I don't have much problem with drifting if it's a race to the finish line as NASCAR, and it is done on closed city streets like CART...BUT to call NASCAR boring for going round & round while praising Drfting is REDICULOUS!...And drifting for points like some Olympic event is retarded...to me..Hey! I got it...why not give points to NASCAR drivers for "Rubs" & "Crashes"??????
And to dress up a GTO like a Japanese Sport Compact is "wrong on soooo many levels too. Why do you need a 4 foot wing and 5-foot tall letters on it to Drift??
Lets hope that gets Outlawed soooon!...isn't anything sacred???

 

Drifting is definitely a RWD auto cabbage. You can't really "drift" (continuous power-on oversteer) a fwd car. The Auto Cabbage that is currently known as "drifting" is not drifting in the classic sense of a 4-wheel drift. To suggest that a fwd would be a better "drift" car in the current Auto Cabbage sense is ludicrous.

The NASCAR points system is certainly not above criticism. The last champ won how many races last year? (hint: ONE).

That GTO, to me, looks more like a DTM (German Touring Car) car than a ricer. Then again, the build quality of that GTO may be closer to DTM than ricer, but the technology is definitely closer to ricer! (DTM is on a level with F1)



Those cars are SERIOUS BUSINESS.