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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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Blind Advocates Say Hybrids Pose Safety Threat!

Now here is a problem that I’ll bet very few people ever thought would be a problem!

Blind Advocates Say Hybrids Pose Safety Threat!

For blind people, crossing the street just got more challenging. Hybrids, which switch between a gasoline engine and an electric motor, are almost silent when idling at a stop or running at low speeds. According to the Wall Street Journal, blind pedestrians are largely dependent on the sounds of traffic to cross streets safely, and have had close calls with the quiet hybrids. The National Federation of the Blind says all hybrid vehicles should emit a sound while turned on and is calling on the auto industry to make changes. The group says the sound should be loud enough to be heard over the din of other ambient noise and have discussed sound cues that hybrids could use to alert pedestrians, including a device built into the axle that could make a sound as the wheels rotate, or a sensor that blind travelers could carry that would indicate when a hybrid is in the vicinity. So far, advocacy groups' pleas for louder hybrids have failed to generate much noise in automotive circles. Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong says he believes that the responsibility lies with drivers and pedestrians to watch out for each other, adding "One of the benefits of the vehicles is that they don't contribute to traffic noise."
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Blind Pedestrians Say Quiet Hybrids Pose Safety Threat

Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal

February 13, 2007 By RAYMUND FLANDEZ

For blind people, crossing the street is becoming even more of a challenge.
Michael Osborn, a blind marketing consultant from Laguna Beach, Calif., and his guide dog, Hastings, were in the middle of an intersection one morning last April when the yellow Lab stopped short. Mr. Osborn took the cue and halted -- just in time to feel the breeze from a car passing right in front of them.

"Half an inch and it would have hit us ... it wasn't making any noise," says Mr. Osborn, 50, who has been blind for 12 years. Witnesses say the car was a Toyota Prius, a hybrid vehicle.

Hybrids deliver better mileage and less pollution than traditional cars by switching between a gasoline engine and an electric motor. But when operating on the electric battery, especially when idling at a stop or running at low speeds, the engine in a hybrid is almost silent. A hybrid vehicle is generally quieter than a vacuum cleaner.

"I'm an environmentalist, and I'm all for quiet cars," says Mr. Osborn. "But it poses a particular problem for somebody who has no vision."

Blind pedestrians using a guide dog or cane are largely dependent on the sounds of traffic to cross streets safely. For a blind person, "it's very important to be able to gather auditory and tactile cues from the environment," says Sumara Shakeel, of Toms River, N.J., who is a rehabilitation teacher for the New Jersey Commission for the Blind.

Hybrid cars became commercially available to mainstream consumers in 2000 and are gaining in popularity. Nationwide, registrations for new hybrids more than doubled to 199,148 in 2005 from 83,153 in 2004, according to R.L. Polk & Co., an automotive research firm. At least a dozen states and several cities are encouraging drivers to buy fuel-efficient hybrids by offering tax breaks and other incentives, and the vehicles are being added to municipal fleets. Still, the total 392,000 hybrids on the road reflect just over 1% of all new vehicle registrations in the U.S.

The National Federation of the Blind, an advocacy group, says all hybrid vehicles should emit a sound while turned on and is calling on the auto industry to make changes. The group says the sound should be loud enough to be heard over the din of other ambient noise.

Members of the NFB's Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety have discussed sound cues that hybrids could use to alert pedestrians, including a device built into the axle that could make a sound as the wheels rotate, or a sensor that blind travelers could carry that would indicate when a hybrid is in the vicinity. The committee has yet to have a formal meeting with auto industry representatives.

Quiet cars pose a problem for not only those with limited vision, says the NFB's Debbie Stein, but also for sighted pedestrians, cyclists and the elderly who rely on sound to gauge the position and speed of cars.

While there are no national data on pedestrian injuries or deaths related to low-noise cars, the NFB argues that a link will be more discernible as quiet vehicles become more common. Police reports often don't record what kind of automobile caused a pedestrian-vehicle collision, and the insurance industry says it doesn't have those figures. In 2005, 4,881 pedestrians were killed nationwide, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, an increase of about 2% since 2000.

"We want to get ahead of this and not have to wait until five blind people end up seriously hurt or dead," says Gary Wunder, who is on the NFB's Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety.

Some businesses are taking action. Several guide dog schools are planning to use hybrid vehicles when training animals to acclimate them. Guide Dogs for the Blind Inc., with campuses in Oregon and California, uses electric golf carts to simulate the quiet cars.

So far, advocacy groups' pleas for louder hybrids have failed to generate much noise in automotive circles. A spokesman for the Alliance of Automotive Manufacturers, an industry group, says he wasn't aware of the issue. "We're interested in hearing about the concerns of the blind community, and we'll work with them to ensure that they're addressed," says alliance spokesman Charles Territo.

Sev MacPete, founder of the Toyota Prius Club of San Diego, dismisses the idea that hybrids pose a safety threat. He says blind pedestrians are easy to spot because they usually have a special white cane with red tip. "And if you could say anything about hybrid drivers, they are more aware of their surroundings than other drivers," Mr. MacPete says.

Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong says he wasn't aware of the issue and believes that the responsibility lies with drivers and pedestrians to watch out for each other. Mr. Kwong adds, "One of the benefits of the vehicles is that they don't contribute to traffic noise."
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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Lawyers are lawyers. We were having problems with our escalators for years and advocacy groups were constantly complaining that out of service escalators were not providing adequate service for the disabled. Then we finally repaired them so they are more reliable and breakdown less often. That was soon followed by advocates for the visually impaired complaining that they were now too quiet and blind people were having a hard time determining which direction the escalators were traveling.
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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I dont think the auto industry is going to waiver much to accomidate this issue. Although, reading the article, it made me think of an excuse the next time someone complains my regal is to loud when the cut outs open... Its a "safety feature!"
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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They should mount a couple of 200w speakers on the outside of the hybrids and pump the sound of a big-block Chevy with a lopey cam through them when in electric mode
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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What's next, going to have to wear a beeper when i'm running or riding a bike?

If only we could take the license of a lawyer who does this BS...
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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It goes back to what I've always said. Every car should be available with an LSx Nothing like an LS7 rumble to let the blind know where you are.
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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What about pure electrics (like the EV1, which is over a decade old now, or those little urban "golf cart" electrics like the GEM)? With those, the gas engine will NEVER kick in.

An interesting problem, for sure, but I suppose they'll have to adapt.

Or maybe the cars will have to have speakers on them that emit a beeping noise at a given frequency...?



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"And if you could say anything about hybrid drivers, they are more aware of their surroundings than other drivers," Mr. MacPete says.
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Thats definitely an interesting take on the matter, I never figured something like that would come up. Although now that I think about it, a car salesmen I worked with joked about it being the best car for a teenager because they could sneek in past curfew and their parents would not hear them pull in.
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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Sev MacPete, founder of the Toyota Prius Club of San Diego, dismisses the idea that hybrids pose a safety threat. He says blind pedestrians are easy to spot because they usually have a special white cane with red tip. "And if you could say anything about hybrid drivers, they are more aware of their surroundings than other drivers," Mr. MacPete says.

Isn't he pleased with himself. He has undeniable evidence to back up such a claim, I'm sure.
Old Feb 13, 2007 | 11:47 PM
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They still should emit some gear noise right?...and blind pedestrians have to listen for the audible "walk" signal, the rest will have to be up to the driver. If someone hits a slow moving blind pedestrian, they don't need a license anyway.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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With the exception of a stopped vehicle, the most noise you hear from (moving) cars is tire noise. EVEN cars with V8's that have quiet/factory exhaust on them. When they go by, all you hear is that "whoosh" sound of the tires rolling by ... not the exhaust. Hell, you can hear a BICYCLE roll by!!

An audible engine (or lacktherof) isn't the "saviour" to the blind pedestrians of the world, IMO . If the cars are moving slowly, and/or stopped, then the drivers should be more easily aware of pedestrians around them, and if everybody (blind pedestrians & drivers) is following the "rules of the road", then the blind pedestrians should still be safe as ever.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 12:30 AM
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Sev MacPete, founder of the Toyota Prius Club of San Diego: "And if you could say anything about hybrid drivers, they are more aware of their surroundings than other drivers," Mr. MacPete says.
Lets not forget, Hybrid owners, especially in California, have always been ahead of the curve.

The smug factor in San Diego just went up.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 02:16 AM
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I'm telling you man.. watch out for those Hybrid Hummer's.. ..
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bud M
Sev MacPete, founder of the Toyota Prius Club of San Diego, dismisses the idea that hybrids pose a safety threat. He says blind pedestrians are easy to spot because they usually have a special white cane with red tip. "And if you could say anything about hybrid drivers, they are more aware of their surroundings than other drivers," Mr. MacPete says.

Isn't he pleased with himself. He has undeniable evidence to back up such a claim, I'm sure.
More aware of their surroundings?!

Being in San Francisco (with arguably the highest concentration of Prius on the planet outside of the factory) I can tell you 1st hand that's not true.

And having myself steped in front of a completely silent oncoming Prius in a parking garage, I can at least partially sympathise with those concerned blind advocates.



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