I will probably cry myself to sleep tonight over that isolated mispelling. If only I was a Mac user I would be smart enough to never make mistakes.

So did Doom 3 outsell Half Life 2? I can find that each title sold over 3 million copies but no exact numbers to date.

 

No offense Pacer X but you are a very ignorant person...

I use apple and PC's, but I don't let my own loyalty to products get in the way of my common sense.

I recall you claimed that the most demanding test for a computer is video games... seriously man, you shouldn't even be arguing in this forum. I have no bias to PC's or apple, hell I use both in my house. Right now im on my apple. Maybe I'll go on my PC today, who cares.
Out of all 8 computers I have in my house, the apples are the ones that are easier, and I could say more enjoyable to use in my house, hands down. The OS is much simpler. No offense, but most of you only PC guys have minds that are stuck in little boxes when it comes to computer, (although that behavior does translate into all facets of your life).
Now the most demanding test for a computer isn't video games my friend (pacer x said that) , think hard....
Do you want to see some bench mark tests on apple vs PC? Besides your computer games, lol, I could find them, usually the competing PC's are behind the G5 apple computers. Here are benchmark tests for stuff other then computer games, lol I recall PAcer X said he doesn't care about video editing performance cause he doesn't do it, and hed also like to see some benchmarking on it. So here you go. Even if the numbers are exxagerated (cause the PC guys will say those are high cause its on apple.com) there is still a considerable performance difference.

http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

Now there are older benchmark tests and Apple's rival companies have released computers somewhat faster since then. You may argue that this is unfair because PC companies have excelled since then.
Apple has excelled even more in that space of time. They have released the Quad G5, which has 4 64 bit processors, I would like you to note the speed of the bus and the fact that there is more than one bus. Also the buses have acces to the other processors cache. Something a PC can't do. This is an extreme processor advantage, and the fact that the velocity engines are much more efficient. This is why we can find such large differences between PC and Apple in these benchmakr tests. I also don't believe these application are designed for 64 bit processors, which puts all the 64 bit computers at a disadvantage. Here is the difference between the new Quad G5 and the Dual 2.7 G5 in the previous test.

http://www.apple.com/powermac/dualcore.html

OMG and you people who are saying Ipods are built like crap!?!?! And the screen scratches? Did you know an Ipod is a hard drive? And that it has an lcd screen, just like a laptop? Would you stick you laptop screen in your pocket without a case on it? It woudl get scratched? Would you carry around a computer hard drive bounce it around, and walk around with it, without buying a case for it? This is an example of people not knowing enough abour computers, then complaining. Apple sells, along with other companies, MANY different kinds of cases for Ipods, and theres a reason for it. Recently apple changed the Ipods to flashdrives, so that now, you don't have to worry about damaging a fragile hard drive Ipod.

I use apple and PC and like them both, they both have their advantages. I just thought I'd defend apple abit because you box head people just senselessly attack it so much!

 

because you're resigned and contented to just work with what you're given by Apple. there's nothing to be ashamed of. believe it or not, but aside from coding you're John Q, Public. most people may not program, but i bet many know how to clobber together a web page. the problem for you, is that most people who are happy with what they're given are happier with a $400 eMachine that does everything you just mentioned than a Mac for $$$ more. And that's without all the stereotypical Mac user BS you keep attributing to PCs such as "i have to reboot my PC daily or it acts like an un-walked dog and pees on my carpet" or "you have no hope of running a PC sucessfully without having to 'play with it'" or some such. All nonsense.

the amount you spent on just upgrades + $150, I initially spent on a full system (and got to hand pick every component). Over the last 3 years I've upgraded the CPU, 3x for a total of less than $300, added verious components for maybe another $300. For a total of under $1500 over the last 3 years I can do everything you can but better; I have a more up-to-date system; I can run most of the latest games and enjoy them (even though I only play GT4 on the PS2 these days and even then only when I have the time); I burn DVDs at 8x; I can capture video; my CPU is overclocked 400mhz to 2.2ghz; it runs stable and cool at 35c Idle, 45c full load (Prime95); its QUIET as a mouse.... you get the picture. Now do you get the math? I spend half your cash, and ended up with a sweeter system. not only sweeter, but exactly the way I wanted it (within my budget).

so explain to me again this "cost of ownership" concept...

 

oh, yeah, because saving a screenshot to PDF (a propriatary format) is totaly the most effective way to go, if all you want is a screen capture. I'd save it to JPG instead in no time at all and it will take up 5x less space. If there's no need for me to be publishing PDF documents, WTF would I even bother with a PDF writer? If I DO need to publish a PDF doc, I can easily buy the writer with all the cash I saved by not going with a Mac in the first place.

good try...

if we're on the subject of software, how about this then: you take your Mac, and you go ahead and load the best available corporate level Mac accounting software (if any). invite a corporate accountant and ask them if they'd use it to do their financials and see if they don't laugh really hard and complement on how funny you are. then once the laughing subsides, ask them what they use and what platform they run it on.

 

Xbox 360 is impressive no doubt. But looking at its specs, you can build a computer that will run smoother while giving crystal clear, better looking graphics. Checkout how some future games look on the 360 then compare them to a top of the line gaming PC (games like Madden 06 and especially ES4: Oblivion). Its no comparison that the top dog gaming PC looks way better and will run better.

Consoles are great and are awesome for convenience and for playing top notch games without shelling out loads of dough to build a high end PC.

 

That would be an interesting figure to see. They're both great games. Yet another great one to pickup is Quake 4. That game is gorgeous with the Doom 3 engine and has fast paced action like the originals (Quake and Quake 2).

 

Yea and not dealing with having to upgrade, patches(well this used to be true, we will see how it holds), and being able to take your game to someone elses house and be able to play it on their system. It's also not nearly as much fun to play game like madden when you don't have 4 people around a TV. Online just isn't the same.

 

That's the thing about game consoles, no need to worry about finding new maps, patches, and mods, and all the server oriented problems which come up with computers. Its all done for you, you just turn your game console on and play.
And the older computer games get, the more you have to keep them up.
I personally prefer computer games, even though there is the added hasle, on the other hand theres alot of people who enjoy Xbox more.

 

That was my point, I prefer console gaming for all those reasons. I don't have the money to upgrade my computer for just games. I pay one fixed cost for a game system and then all I have to do are buy games. Considering the number of games to choose from, it makes better sense for me.

 

Wow morbid, you are getting desperate for comebacks. He is just giving you an example on how it was quicker to do something on an apple. ANd you said that isn't the best way to do it, and that you could just buy the software with the money you saved buying a PC.
Now I would call that avoiding his point. He was pointing out how some things are quicker to do on apple, and you just completely avoided it, without even giving back a proper rebuttle.
Now you claim using PDF is a dumb way, it isn't for some people.And your JPG argument goes out of the window because, you can do the exact same JPG thing on an apple. Why did you even use that one? Doesn't make sense to me...
And as you said to him, I will say to you GOOD TRY...

Next you said that you can just buy a PDF writer with all the cash you saved buying an apple. Since you obviously now nothing about apples and I do I will tell you something. Apple comes with ALOT of user software. Garageband, Imovie, Ical, Safari, yadayadayadayada, there's alot more. It comes loaded with software your PC doesn't come with. Even if your PC did come with them, the apple ones would be alot easier to use. I know this because I own both apple and PC. That may explain the difference in price. You would have to spend a considerable amount of money to get the software that the apple already comes with. Also I do believe that apple computers are over priced, even with the extra software.

Last Argument: I'll quote you on this "if we're on the subject of software, how about this then: you take your Mac, and you go ahead and load the best available corporate level Mac accounting software (if any)."

This shows exactly how ignorant you are. YOu don't know anything at all about apples. There is alot of accountant software available for macintosh. Just type it in google, if your willing to learn something of course.
And why would you ask an accountant if they would use the software on your own computer? This argument of yours goes right out the window also, because, well its ridiculous. Of course an accountant would laugh my friend, but not because its on a mac, like you said...
BECAUSE its not the software they are used to using. Why would they use that software when the software they are using for themselves is something the completely know how to use. Its like going to a right handed hockey player and asking him if he would want to use a left handed stick for his next game, like cmon man. The hockey player and the accountant would both have to learn to do what they do every day in a very different way. (MUHAHAHA I RHYMED)
Also why would a corporate accountant use an apple to do his financials when most of the corporate world is using PC? When his corporation is on PC? Do you know the compatibility issues he would have trying to run an apple when the rest of the business is using pc's? Like wow, you really need to think next time you post.
Like I said before, I have eight computers in my house, they are a mixture of apple and PC. I use them for computer graphics, digital video editing, and for my music. Sometimes I play games (but I get addicted so I don't really anymore). My family uses them for similar purposes. I don't have a bias against apple or PC.
One argument I have witnessed in this that I would take as valid against apple is the fact that you can't build up an apple. You get what comes in the box. Althought he PC guys take it to the exxagerative extreme. Its not that bad, you can upgrade them. And you can choose how much ram, memory, etc comes in them.
I'm just defending apple here cause you hardcore PC guys are just putting out completely ignorant garbage about soemthing you don't even know about. ARRRGGGG, its like hearing ricers talk about cars

 

In this statement your forgetting one thing, for the same reason the Xbox even with far inferior Tech specs in todays market still gives PC games a run for its money, and that is everything in the box is purely dedicated to either video or audio. There is no dividing of resources for background operations.

Xbox360's GPU has only been laid onto paper, saying that you could build a better PC is completly off. The Xbox360 GPU is beyond ATI's current X1800, this is there best and baddiest and the Geforce 7800 (all class's) top competitor. There really is no comparing a counsle set-up to a PC, because its never going to be fair. On one hand for $500.00 every few months you can upgrade your GPU souly, but even then that doesnt stop the constant issue of PC Graphic performance. The resources are never souly for graphic output. The CPU is always running background applications which bottlenecks the GPU's full potential.

I had the privelage of playing Xbox360 the other day while Wal-Mart was putting out its Kiosik. Let me tell you, I have a Mid-High End PC, and the xbox360 even on a NON-HD LCD screen that was 20 inchs in size, the amount of detail in Kameo was on par with anything ive seen on PC, beyond most of it. Keep in mind these are first gen titles being rushed out for launch. Imagine what they will resemble in a months time.

Xbox360's will hold the GPU strength limit (not including the SLI cards) for atleast a month past its shipping, but in retrospect thats the same thing that happened with the Xbox. The Xbox had nothing more then a beefed up Geforce 3 TI500 in it, Xbox launched then a staggered Ti500 launched. Xbox at its time was on par, or slightly better then PC in graphics. Same will be said for the 360 at launch.

And to even compare Joe Shmoe's PC to the 360's stats is pretty bold.

PowerPC 3.2ghz Tri-Core CPU
ATI Custom GPU 500MHZ 32 Pipelines
1 TF of overall performance..

To tell me a standard PC or even a Mid-High is going to compete in the open market... I would have to question your sanity.

The only machine that im actually worried about is the PS3, its GPU by launch will be aged significantly. The Cell is a So-So Peice of hardware to begin with.. I wish them all the luck in the world with there $500.00 Video game consle.

 

Hey here is an interesting theory on why apple is going to intel. The ignorant person may think it is an apple bashing article, but it isn't. It is just a theory on why apple is making the move.

http://arstechnica.com/columns/mac/mac-20050710.ars

 

i made 2 well written, well thought out and concise points. you wrote a 3 page rant on how you don't like people pointing out things you don't like to have pointed out to you.

if you don't understand the points I was making, direct your rant at someone else. /dev/null would be best.

P.S. there IS no corporate level accounting software for the Mac. if you're such a google hotshot, show me a single piece. just so my post doesn't go over your head completely again, I'll break it down into managable pieces just for you. what that means to you, is that for ever little "mom, look what I can do, because I think it's cool" on a Mac there's a "I NEED to do this because there's money involved and I can" on the PC.

 

So fine, if you're a corporate accountant, go buy a PC. Everyone else, including companies who care about the security of their information, would be better off with a Mac. It's interesting that you're a comp sci major who thinks it's natural for a comp sci majors to like Windows better.

I know plenty of comp sci majors who vastly prefer Macs, including one who had at one point told me that if given the chance, he would assasinate Steve Jobs. LOL.

And personally, I find that having a rock solid OS that never locks up and always works the way it's supposed to cool, but also quite necessary.

 

OK...I read the first two posts....don't have the time or the want to read the rest.

But he's got it wrong.

Design/Engineering/Marketing/Manufacturing/Financial sit in the meetings together.

They talk about the product.....what it MUST have....what it should have...what it would be nice to have. (among manymanymany other things) and then they work together to make it happen.

It does not go from design ....then to engineering.....then to manufacturing.