but if you work for GM and you are union you get the majority of your salary and benefits for damn near 2 years? really??

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

 

You are confused.

You said "Get Fired".

The article is about layoffs.

There is a huge difference.

You get fired from a factory (even a UAW factory), you're not owed anything.

There is nothing wrong with a worker still getting benefits in the event that a business has to lay you off because of sales or reasons that are not of your own making.

They also have job placement if you are layed off and aren't expected to return.

I know quite alot of people who have been layed off from other industries from computers to aerospace who have gotten buyouts, money for job retraining, extended benefits for a year or 2 unless they find a job of equal or similar pay first.

Most all major companies have this nowadays for salary positions and more than a few have this for blue collar positions.

The UAW's includes a percentage of your salary based on how long you've worked. A person who has worked there 20 years is going to get a higher percentage than the person who has been there for 5.

Perfectly fair. Nothing big.

As a Navy person (I'm retired military) you get paid if you are unable to work. There was also a program that you got not only a certain percentage of your retirement but also medical coverage if you took early retirement during the drawdown.. with as little as 12 years.

Same thing.

 

Welcome to the UAW

It can be pretty hard to fire a union employee

 

Yeah when I get laid off I get my leftover vacation days and a goodbye. No wonder companies wan't to relocate operations in Mexico and India. I'm sure American car companies can compete having to pay a guy for 2 years not to work.

 

I was offered 3 weeks pay when I got laid off. 2 years would have been nice.

 

Very common, even at non union places.

 

I would like to know where some of you are seeing this in other industries. The most I've ever seen in non automotive industries is 6 months for pay. Health insurance and other benefits are sometimes longer though.

 

Depends how long a person has worked for the company, my mother got layed off an insurance company and got 2 years and 2 months severance. When I was layed off at media play i think I got 3 or 4 months pay and I had only been there a couple years.

 

hmm... interesting.

so if they were attempting to save money, why wouldn't they just fire them? it seems like they'd be out even more money by keeping them on the payroll with no product to sell. at least with product they help offset their salary.

 

Delusions are wonderful.

The three times I got laid off, I got 2hrs notice, and zero pay.

When my company finally kicked off and dissolved, they didn't even bother to CALL me. I showed up and the doors were locked.

I believe in workers having the right to organize, and negotiate their employment, but the UAW is just over-the-top.

 

I'm sure it crossed thier minds, bean counters being bean counters, but the legal team probably reigned them in.

 

I agree that the UAW has gone crazy, but companies that offer severance packages are common, though I guess it would depend a little on teh type of work you're in.

 

Can't just fire somebody in most all states unless there is cause.

Layoffs are a totally different beast.

Severence and job placement packages are the norm for non-minimum wage and low level jobs at large companies and corperations.

There's no delusions at play here.

I suspect the business you got layed off from was a small business that was going under

If a company is laying off people due to slower demand, closing a division, or moving elsewhere, they pay their employees unless they are a small business or filed for bankruptcy.


As was said above, different businesses and companies have different policies at different levels, almost always based on senority and or position. This isn't a UAW or even union exclusive situation. I personally know at least 3 people whose company closed up shop in one state and moved to another and gave employees the chance to move (all expense paid) or to take a severence package. One friend's package equalled 1.5 year's pay plus the continuation of their medical coverage at the same premiums for at least that same time. The other one recieved 75% pay (also for a year or so if I remember) and a lump sum payout. Neither were union.

Of course these as well as the UAW package is on the better end of severence packages, but it's common for managers in other industries (even restaurants) and workers at factories to get multiple months pay and job placement in the event of layoffs.

The exceptions are small businesses with less than whatever the minimum number is in your state.

The other exception is "At Will" employment, which can be terminated by you or your employer at any time for any or no reason. But even then, there are guidelines.

Hiring is done very carefully nowadays. It costs alot of money to train someone, costs alot of money to insure them (including payments for disability & unemployment insurence) and it even costs money to lay someone off.

The UAW WAS over the top with their ridiculous workplace rules. But their package for layoffs, although on the high end, is by no means unique.

 

ahh thats why its a foreign concept to me, Florida is a right to hire/right to fire state where you can actually be fired for no cause.

 

Most companies give you 1 Week for every Year. 20 years = 20 weeks. Some higher some lower. This is the norm though.

If you want to get upset about out of norm behavior concerning GM, look at their substance abuse policies.