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View Poll Results: If offered a choice...which engine would you choose in a 5th gen Camaro.
210 hp pushrod V6
30
73.17%
230 hp DOHC Turbo I4
11
26.83%
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Old Feb 7, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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False dichotomy. And I don't believe the "too much power" nonsense for a minute. The Maxima has more horsepower than a stock V6 Camaro. The best choice is neither of those, but an up-to-date and with-the-times 3.6L high feature V6. Camaro shouldn't be slightly behind other cars, it should be at least even with or ahead of them.
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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95% of car buyers leave their cars stock. For that reason, a motor should not be chosen based on its potential. Only enthusiest would be attracted to such a vehicle and your car sales will suffer. Why would I want a car which could be fast after buying aftermarket parts and voiding my warranty instead of just having a quality powertrain to begin with?
I don't think only enthusiasts buy cars with the Audi/VW 1.8T... and it has a lot (relatively speaking) of potential. An inexpensive turbo motor could appeal to a lot of people. And even if you lost some, there would be a lot more that would flock to it from other brands just because of the turbo.
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by HAZ-Matt
I don't think only enthusiasts buy cars with the Audi/VW 1.8T... and it has a lot (relatively speaking) of potential. An inexpensive turbo motor could appeal to a lot of people. And even if you lost some, there would be a lot more that would flock to it from other brands just because of the turbo.
They buy the cars becasue the 1.8T is a good engine to start with. How many people with these cars actually mod them? Now the fact that it has potential is great, but that really isnt the main factor influencing people to buy the cars.

Another question you have to ask is "What kind of car is a Camaro." Is the Camaro a car which a turbo 4 belongs in? I dont think so. I think that engine should be slated for the Cavalier replacent. The Camaro should appeal to a different customer base. For that reason I say drop a stout V6 in it with output atleast equivalent to the Mustang V6's.
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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I think saying that a turbo inline four , should be reserved solely for the market covered by the Cavalier, sort of misses the point. It's like saying that a V8 FWD Cavalier should cover the Camaro market.

I believe the combination of RWD and cheap turbocharging may be irresistable to a certain segment....and maybe create a new segment for Camaro to cater to. Maybe even people who would never consider a Camaro, and never consider a V8,(believe it or not...there are plenty of people out there like that, who actually buy cars.)

Think of it as the poor mans' Porsche 944 Turbo.

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Old Feb 7, 2003 | 06:52 PM
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The problem with the turbo-four is that it's all screamer and no muscle. The Camaro should always have a bit of muscle to it, even the base model.
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 06:59 PM
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The problem with the turbo-four is that it's all screamer and no muscle. The Camaro should always have a bit of muscle to it, even the base model.
Not always. The VW/Audi 1.8T has a torque curve that resembles an elephant's back. It starts afew hundred rpm after idle and goes almost to redline.
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 07:13 PM
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Do you honestly think that GM is capable or willing to design something like that?
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by bigsteve7
They buy the cars becasue the 1.8T is a good engine to start with. How many people with these cars actually mod them? Now the fact that it has potential is great, but that really isnt the main factor influencing people to buy the cars.
Exactly. You can make an engine with potential that is a good engine unmodded and their will be many people willing to buy it.

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Do you honestly think that GM is capable or willing to design something like that?
That is the question, isn't it?
Old Feb 7, 2003 | 07:50 PM
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Do you honestly think that GM is capable or willing to design something like that?
Ha! That sounds like it deserves it's own thread.
Old Feb 8, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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Capable, yes. Ovbiously the company can do anything when they can make 405 hp pushrod engines that get nearly 30 mpg on the highway without displacement on demand. Hell, Id say that GM was the first of anyone to really figure out mass produced Turbo cars back in the GN days. The MKIII Supra could be an argument that Toyota had it then, too, but the GM 3.8 Turbo was the better engine.

Willing, possibly. We're still seeing the end of the Zarellia regime which we all know was bland with a capitol b. GM must know it needs a turbo ecotec to compete with the imports instead of a supercharged version because, like I said in the other thread, image means just as much as mechanics in the youth generation and turbos carry a better image.

Just as long as it doesnt show up in the Camaro I'd be happy with it.

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Old Feb 8, 2003 | 12:59 PM
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I WANT A TWIN TURBO V8!!! Hehehe

Then I could say to all those ricers, "You got a turbo? WOW! My car pushes a 1000 horse under that SS cowl."
Old Feb 9, 2003 | 12:24 PM
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I only picked the I4 because it has more HP
Old Feb 9, 2003 | 01:05 PM
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I want to be able to just let the clutch out and take off, without any throttle. The torquier V6 will be better for that.

(Yes, that's a very important measurement for a sports car!)
Old Feb 10, 2003 | 01:40 PM
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I voted for the V6 because I figured someone would come up with an aftermarket supercharger for it.
Old Feb 10, 2003 | 01:50 PM
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I have to say I am VERY pleased with the results of this poll so far.... more than 2 to 1 for the V6 over the I4, even though the I4 is listed with 20 more hp!

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