Let's try to stay on topic, shall we?

 

Okay. On subject:
1) GM Service sucks. Plain and simple. If you have an unlimited credit card, they are fine.
2) C6 - Okay, looks good, but too expensive. If I had the money, I wouldn't spend it on it because the resale typically is poor.
3) SSR - Small truck, decent performance, waaaay too much $$$
4) Camaro - Dead.
5) SUV - no thanks,
6) What else? A malibu with a V6? I don't think so.

Sorry, GM has thrown another set of incomplete passes.

Real men don't use OnStar. Real Men don't have ASR or Automatics.

 

OK, this takes the cake as the dumbest reply of 2004 so far.

1) GM service sucks. What the hell are you talking about? They honor their warranty, and then some. If you have trouble with one particular dealer... try another.

2) Corvette has bad reslae value?! Where have you been? Ever since the C5 came around, Corvette has had EXCELLENT resale value.

3) Maybe the lone thing in this that makes sense... then again, there are people who will pay for it.

4) Camaro dead... for now... not for long... you will see, but if you don't want to believe, so be it.

5) OK, that's great... but a lot of people sure seem to like SUV's...

6) Besides Malibu, there are others to choose from. Chevy seems to be doing well, and they have a TON of new stuff on the way.


Real men don't use OnStar. ASR, or automatics... .... you sir, are a twit.

 

 

Are you hinting at something Jason?

 

I'm glad chevy has finally realized that they need to revamp their entire lineup, but despite that realization, they're still failing miserably in the performance market. The Silverado SS was supposed to be Chevy's answer to the Lighting and SRT-10, or atleast thats how it was presented. The SS fails miserably, I was told I could only get one with an extended cab, that I could only get it in AWD, that I couldn't get it in cloth buckets, and quite a few other limitations, like it's HP...or lack there of. How can it compete with trucks that are supercharged or running Viper v-10's? It can't, loss #1

The SSR, it was a beautiful concept, nothing to directly compete with it, lots of performance possibilities, not the least bit practical. It's not really well-suited to towing. The bed is more for decoration than function. And Chevy had to forsee how slim demand would be, yet they produced it and they'll probably take a large loss because of it, despite it's 60k price tag. Loss #2

The Malibu, decent car, lots of possibilities, but not quite as sucessful as the Cavalier/Sunfire...which GM axed...I have to wonder, first, why they axed the Cav, and secondly why they would think the Malibu could ever be any more successful than the Cavalier....which I always thought to be one of Chevy's most affordable cars. Loss #3

The suburban, the tahoe, all the rest of the SUV's. Excellent, the SUV market has exploded and it's probably the only thing keeping GM afloat, so why are they saving costs by using weaker frames? Chevy 1500 series trucks use extremely weak frames, I know atleast 10 people in my area who have had the back of the frame (just ahead of the rear leafspring mount) sever COMPLETELY off on both sides, only being held on to the truck itself by the bed's rear mounts. Loss #4

The Aveo...doomed already, cars like that have been prooven not to sell, it's a Geo Metro crossed with a minivan. Loss #5

OnStar is alright, as long as it never comes standard on anything. The I/Sun/whatever-pass holder is a decent idea....but is it really any more impressive than the coin holder in the center consoles of some cars already? I don't think it is. Null points.

The C6 is the only success of GM's entire car lineup, a well designed, functional, performance coupe, thats out of almost everyone's price range for no good reason. It's a direct competitor to the other two's (of the big 3) factory racing cars, the Viper and the new GT, and it also competes with BMW and Porsche to some degree. None of it's "revolutionary technology" justifies the corvette's price. I'm relatively sure that I could develop a car based on off-the-shelf parts to compete with it for less than I'd have to pay to buy a new 'Vette. Just to be clear, my ONLY complaint is the price. Win #1

I feel that General Motors should axe it's Saturn division as a whole, put Chevrolet in charge of compact cars, keep GMC as it's only truck maker, put Pontiac on the task of affordable performance cars (to include RWD cars), keep Cadillac on it's current path of (bad ***) luxury performance cars (get rid of the caddy truck and turn the market segment back over to GMC's Yukon Denali), and return Buick to it's staple as a old folk's car. But maybe thats just my take on it, I could be wrong.

 

Um.... the 2004 Malibu replaces.... the old Malibu . Not the Cavalier. The 2005 Cobalt is the Cavalier replacement.

While I don't think it will be Chevrolet's best seller, it has a place. I have already seen 4-5 of these on the road...

So... is there anything wrong with them? Are you complaining about them? I don't understand.

As for OnStar, I am almost certain I would not own a new car without it. Two exceptions to the rule right now is GTO and the current Corvette, though the C6 takes care of that issue. The EZ pass thing deosn't mean anything to me, I do not trave toll roads frequently, but I think it would be nice for those who do.

So...... you just comapred the Corvette to a VIPER and FORD GT ....... and complained about the price fo the Corvette? Allllllllllrighty then.

Axe Saturn... and it's #1 customer rating... too many people here giev no value to the consumer relationship Saturn has built. Give it a product line, and Saturn can be successful. Mr. Lutz is at least giving them more than 2 vehicles to sell.

Chevy.... "in charge" of compact cars... didn't you just above bash the Aveo in this very post?!?! Does this also mean it should dump the huge-selling Impala since it is not a compact?

GMC... only truck brand. You're kidding right? Chevy Trucks are GM's highest selling brand. Don't think they want to dump that.

Cadillac... dump Escalade... sure, they make huge profit on them ... and they are popular... hey, let's dump it.

 

I was gonna make some replies to the uninformed, but Darth you handed it out in spades, kudos to you sir

Chevrolet and GM as a whole seems to have alot of nifty stuff coming down the pipeline. Pay attention to this forum and read in between the lines and you'll see there some exciting products ahead for us GM enthusiasts.

In regards to the Aveo, I've already seen quite a few rolling around central florida and a girl i work with just bought a yellow 4 door hatchback model.

And the Silverado SS, yep disappointment at first, but in another thread i think guionM said that the SS was gonna be getting a supercharger. That should punt it right into the thick of the super truck competition.

 

Have you even seen a NEW Saturn, they look pretty dam good!Sales are great!...and it kinda like a 3-series beemer...MUCH BETTER than their slant nosed begginings..."Axe it?

And drop the Grand Am's and Sunfire's (compacts and sub-compacts)???

This just gets better and better,,

Where have you been??Pontiacs' policy since the early 70's announced by chief engineer Steve Malone, that they would build high performance, highly efficient, affordable cars...they've been doing just that for years..

Drop the vehicle that's in almost every RAP video as much as the "Hummer"and is seen on the road more than "Hummers", and is GM's ONLY direct competition with the Lexus, Mercedes, BMW SUV's...that'd be smart...NOT!..

Buick does make a reliable, good riding, user friendly, more traditional car...Does that make them an "Old Folks Car"??How about the "Gran Sports", "Grand National's", "Turbo Regals", Rivera's etc..?? "Fast with Class", doesn't make them an "Old Folks Car" maker..

You forgot to add,
"And return GM to the Dark Ages"..
to your accessment..


(Old Man "Buick", who started the Holding Company, known as General Motors, is probably turning over in his grave...)

 

 

I think it goes back a few years farther than that, but 1969 was certainly one of the best years for model diversity.

I have seen the information on the new "small" Chevys, and am not impressed. I have two of the "small" Chevys from 1965 & 1966 and they were truly innovative (for an American auto maker) and now classic cars. I just don't see the uniqueness of the smaller cars scheduled for production, but admittedly have not followed up on them after reading about them.

The new (2000+) Impala is a good car. It has decent power to weight for a "large" sedan (that when parked next to my "small" 60's Chevys is about the same size ).

The jury is still out on the C6 styling. I'm relatively certain midlife crisis #3 (or perhaps old age crisis #1 ) will be either a C5 or mid 60's Corvette convertible.

Just my .02.

 

Damn this one got dug up again