I think hes just pissed because Nissan couldnt get a trademark on that color...

 

Yup, and that means less sales tax!!! Rebates are applied after sales tax

I hope the LS2 Trailblazer come in an affordable package. Please GM offer it with cloth seats w/o NAV, and not based on a fully loaded LT package like the Silverado SS.

THe Silverado SS package really only costs $3000, but to get it you have to buy a loaded LT

 

May be able to get it in 2WD by the end of the 2005MY though. It'll cost less without the AWD.

 

Yup, the EXT badge means that it's a 7/8 scale Suburban - an overly long, cumbersome and heavy dinosaur of a 7-passenger SUV.


I really think "Sunset Orange" is pretty hideous - especially when it was on the Cadillac CTS. On the other hand, I only think that the Cobalt is mediocre.

Yup the Cobalt is "all new," but it still looks too much like the old Cavalier. I know that only the powertrain is carried over, but Lutz didn't exactly break the mold when it came to styling. The Cobalt is another "also ran" that has nothing to recommend it in particular unless you get a GM employee discount.

The Cobalt needed to be something better than a slightly improved Cavalier replacement.

 

But you still can't explain why the EXT/XL is the same length as the great big Nissan Armada. If someone really needs something the size of EXT/XL, they should just buy the far quicker, better handling (and comparably priced) Nissan Armada. With the Nissan's standard rear parking sensors (which actually work!) the fullsized Armada is also easier to park than the similarly sized, but midsized EXT/XL.

 

I actually find Nissan's nasty burnt orange color to be a little less awful than GM's "Sunset Orange." Still, I have to admit that an Infiniti FX in orange - inside and out - is a really disturbing sight.

 

Considering that the G6 GT has a crude pushrod V6, unimpressive electric steering and very limited rear accomodations, a Hyundai-level price closer to $20-21K is in order.

Let's be honest. The Cobalt should have a final transaction price equivilent to the old Cavalier. Except for the SS Supercharged (which is a joke compared to the less expensive Mustang), it has exactly the same drivetrain as the old Cavalier. GM could probably break even on the Cobalt at the same price level where Cavaliers lost $2k/unit.

The rear seat is cramped, the styling isn't all that special despite the reworking Lutz supposed gave the car. Is $31KMSRP for a mediocre midsized with an ancient 3800 V6 a good deal? GM could shave $6K from the MSRP and the LaCrosse still wouldn't be a steal.

(I don't know where you got the $16,000 figure. I said the LaCrosse could stand a $6k price reduction, but there's no such think as a $22K MSRP LaCrosse.)


Jason E, your arithmatic doesn't add up and your knowledge of pricing and product is lousy. You have all the attributes of a car salesman.

 

I'd say that less sales tax is GOOD thing, especially as sales tax rates are rising in so many areas.


I've seen the cloth that GM puts on its seats. Decontenting is never a solution to overpricing.


The sad part is that a base Nissan Titan XE extended cab 4X2 ($23K MSRP)can almost match the acceleration of a $40K Silverado SS.

 

Looks like someone's a little post happy today...

Obviously you are someone who has not driven and/or sat in the G6. The rear seat part actually made me laugh. You're a comedian, right?

Compared to the Mustang? Find me a Mustang that will keep up with th Cobalt SS S/C for $21k. And for the record, the Cobalt's base hp is 145, not 140 as the Cavi was...so there goes that idea too.

Again, the rear seat joke again. Styling is subjective, you know? And as ancient as the 3800 may be, find me a more proven motor other than the small block chevy.

Base price before destination on a LaCrosse is $22,835, $23,495 with it. So what makes you think?......ah, nevermind.

And you have an import biased, magazine reading mentality. Honestly, I don't know (by your posts) why you are on a GM product message board.

 

Thanks, you said it all and saved me from having to. I was hoping the head up his heinie comment would get a car salesman retort...I love those He never fails to keep me amused...

 

By the way, I will sorely miss the passing of the 3800, as will MANY loyal Pontiac and Buick owners. The engine is a fantastic engine and is downright bulletproof. I wish they'd really do a good revision of it to pump it to the same 240hp the new 3.9 makes, and keep it around for awhile. I have never met an unhappy 3800 owner...enthusiast, old fart or otherwise...

Oh and as for my product knowledge red, I was thinking earlier about that $27,700 Pathfinder and how insanely stripped it must be, seeing as how the revised Xterra moved so far upmarket they will now average at least $25k. I think my math is great...Lew showed me yours needs some touch up

 

Upon further reflection...

1) The last time I checked, electric power steering did not mean a car needed to have a cheaper base price. There is no reason a G6 GT with a panoramic roof, 6 CD Monsoon, chrome wheels, and every other goody should sell for the price of a $20k Camry. Please redzed, rather than in your typical avoidance of the facts, explain to me WHY GM should price the car so low. Also, the back seat of a G6 is excellent, even by the standards of all those magazines you love to quote.

2) The press thinks the Cobalt is a great deal. So I ask you, why should the base transaction level be the same price as a Kia Rio? $10k? Come on, even you can't support that. Also, the Cobalt SS DESERVES to be priced where it is, especially in relation to the Mustang. Mustang V6 bases at $19,500...Cobalt SS at $21k. So what do you get? 1 full second faster 0-60, .89g on the skidpad versus .81, 69 MPH slalom speed (faster than a Z51 Vette!!) and a far more original design. Is it prettier? Maybe not...I think it is though (although the wing needs to go away). Tell me WHY it should be priced less.

3) The LaCrosse is an attractively styled mid sized sedan priced with the competition. Why does it NEED to be cheaper? It doesn't. YOU may dislike the 3800, but many don't. The $31k you quote is for the CXS model that doesn't even have that engine anyways, but the CTS 3.6! Your point is worthless. And yes, LaCrosses base barely over $23k. I may not have done so well in Calculus, but I can add...

4) I love cars, have a ton of product knowledge, and appreciate the wisecracks as always

Can't wait to see you walk around this post...

 

The only problem with the Nissan Armada, much like the rest of the Nissan line up outside the 350Z, is that its hideous looking.

 

Even worse is the QX56 or whatever its called...Infiniti's version of the Armada. The front looks like a Dodge Ram gone awful

 

The 3800 is a very gruff sounding motor when you get near the power peak - like all pushrod V6s. It was time for GM to standardize its V6 offering on a single family of 60 degree V6s. Sadly, they hung onto pushrods and cast iron blocks in the "High Value" engines. I suppose "rental buyback" buyers don't mind.

A $27,700 Pathfinder XE 4x4 is the least expensive model in the range. Even with the price cut, the more expensive Trailblazer LS 4x4 will still be a slower, cruder vehicle that lacks 7-passenger seating.

I can't comment on the new Xterra, but you've got to remember that the new model comes with the 4.0 liter V6 as standard and won't represent much (if any) of an increase of supercharged 3.3 liter version of the 2004 Xterra.