well if what im hearing and reading all the post about the RWD platform being on the back burner and basically grinding that whole thing to a halt, Fiat making GM buy them so any extra cash to funnel into something that would be the next ponycar...it basically means we dont get our new Camaro..ohh sorry Chevy Coupe...since GM has to cut cost now to help with this big finacial hit..and a nitch car would not be good for GM now..

is what I'M thinking actually happening???


and I wont say it but....you know what Im thinking.....and I know alot of you do too if you think about it...

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, until GM formally announces the car or gives it production approval, everything else is just rumor, speculation, and conjecture - REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE. Even if it is "in the works"...until they announce it or kick off production tooling, it can be killed easily, at a moments notice.

If the Camaro were software, it would be what they call "vaporware."

 

thats what I am saying is this the killed notice..so to speak?

 

I would say so. This is what I was expecting all along.

 

The only thing I've read about a RWD platform being pulled back a bit was Kappa... haven't heard a thing abuot Zeta being pulled back.

 

Darth but wasnt both of them supposed to feed off the sucsess of one another??

 

Perhaps in a philosophical sense, but I do not believe the two platforms are tied together whatsoever....

Maybe some of the others can chime in on that, but I don't think a scaling back in Kappa would directly effect Zeta in a negative way... actually, if you think about it, it could actually help Zeta since you would think more developmental money would be available with Kappa being reeled in a bit...

 

ahh ok I thought it was going down to that if Kappa does well ok lets launch more Zetta..kinda building off the sucsess of Kappa.."ok you like kappa, try Zetta"

you like the 2 door 2 seater how bout a bigger 2 door 4 seater type of thing...

still I dont like what GM has to do with its $$$ now to help its red tape margin

 

At least in my mind, it'd be the other way around... Yes, Kappa is going to debut first, but we will see a lot more Zeta variations than Kappa... if those Zeta's do well, then I think GM would be more apt to expand Kappa...

This is complete speculation on my part, but that's the way I see it from the way things are happening.

 

Isn't the "C word" going to be a Zeta or Beta? Just because Kappa has been slowed down doesn't automatically mean no Camaro

 

There is nothing new here.

We've known that Kappa wasn't going to spawn any cars like Curve or Nomad for many months now. GM merely made it official.

The big questions are these:

1) Will the Chevy coupe be a Camaro, not only in name....but also in spirit and execution?

2) Which product(s) will generate an additional 100-150,000 units for Wilmington?

 

GM has been doing decently with marketing and release of it's new cars. Not great... but decently.

The Camaro couldnt be a niche car. It wouldnt survive. If it is to compete against the Mustang, as is it's place, it needs to be competitive. If it is competitve and sells decently, I think the image/icon (call it what you will) returning to the fleet will have a suprising effect. But by "decently" they need to sell 50,000 a year at bare bones minimum.

People say the mustang is doing well... but I havent seen ONE on the road yet. I havent seen any 300C's in months. I see the Magnums here and there. I guess we'll see through the next few months and start of spring...

50,000 Camaros still doesnt reach the 100k-150k the plant needs. There needs to be something else...

 

50,000 units per year would be an EXTREMELY conservative figure.

 

From what has been said here and in press releases:

the Fiat Fiasco ain't bothering Zeta.

Zeta and GMT-900 are GM's 1st prioroties at this time. Nothing major is going on with a Torano like chassis until some money shows up somewhere, and right now Zeta and GMT-900 is where the money is going. These two platforms will account for VERY large volumes of vehicles.

A Camaro like car will ride on Zeta. GM is invested pretty strongly in this and is supposidly differentiating the car from the GTO/Monaro/Velite quite a bit. So I would say GM is expecting 100K+/yr sales from it with no problem.

I think we won't see a 2+2 kappa based car till after 2010 because of budgets.

 

Mustangs must be doing pretty well . We build a couple parts for the 05 thats used in the GT and v6 and ford keeps having to up orders against projections or pre-orders .

300's , 300c's and magnums are all over the place around here .

Our vaporware car is probabaly on track like it has been . Gm isnt gonna give ford the ponycar market for good , the 05 sells to well .