Less then average hp and torque though. All this equals a very poor 21lbs per hp. I suppose if you have no interest in accleration it would be adeqaute.

I, like I susoect most people here just want some decent accleeration. But 10 seconds is forever. I look forward to wasting one in my Mazda 323!!

 

Might wanna streach the test out to a year. I heard the thing is so slow...it will take you a year to do the same amount of driving the average vehicle could in 6 months

 

Bah...Id pimp one.
I like the look of it, and for someone who doesnt like SUV's, I like it.

 

C&D sez its 4980 lbs, which is only 350 lbs lighter than my 3/4-ton 4x4 pickup. Considering the differences (cast-iron lower control arms, 14-bolt rear axle, all-iron V8, 4L80E transmission), where's all the heft come from? I mean, a Jeep Liberty has a specified curb weight of 3800 lbs, while the old Cherokee was under 3400 lbs (even the first-gen Grand Cherokee with a V8 was less than 4000 lbs).

Even if it was "only" 4700 lbs, I can't look at that and consider it acceptable for a junior-sized SUV.

 

I'll tell you where the extra weight comes from.

Hummers appear to be underengineered.

Consider for a moment that H2 weighs almost as much as the Ford Excusion - despite being a much, much smaller vehicle with a far more limited cargo, passenger and towing capacities.

Now we have the H3, another excessively heavy vehicle for its size and capability. At nearly 5000lbs, the H3 is within 250-500lbs of an actual fullsized SUV.

 

Ford Excursion = 7725lbs.
Hummer H2 = 6400lbs.

give or take 1325lbs. they are practically the same You also might want to compare dementions before you call the H2 a "much, much smaller vehicle"

 

Redzed gets owned......again. Facts are a wondeful thing, aren't they? He ought to try using them every once in a while.

 

Would that not be OVER engineered. Under would likely be too light and not be able to handle off road abuse.

 

The current Grand cherokee with the hemi is 4700lbs.

 

The interior space at least is MUCH MUCH smaller. There is less space in there then my old Expedition.

 

Tell me again why everyone wants to race H3s? The thing does just fine for what it is--give it a rest already. If you want to smoke everyone from a stoplight, get something designed to do that...

 

Good ole Special edzed!!! I'm guessing he won't be responding in this thread again.

 

You're confusing "overbuilt" with "overengineered" (in fact, I'd suggest that the second condition doesn't exist). Many modern Korean vehicles weigh significantly more than their counterparts, suggesting that they are overbuilt to compensate for underengineering.

It's actually an interesting situation. Depending on where the extra weight is located, it can have a large multiplier effect on the entire vehicle. A heavier-than-normal rear axle is not a big problem (except for ride quality), but a bit of extra mass in the powertrain or passenger compartment can drive significant weight increases elsewhere in the vehicle.

In real simple terms, imagine that an extra pound in a component (either to save money or because resources weren't available to do the job right) requires going from one fastener size to the next-larger. Things get more complicated when using large and complex off-the-shelf components - a couple hundred extra pounds in the structure might require a move from the 7.625" 10-bolt to its 8.5" big brother, or maybe the rotors grow in size and weight, or 6 lugs are required instead of five, or... you get the picture. Not all of those changes mean that the vehicle actually gets tougher.

 

The FJ's 3 wipers is fugly and I hope it never sees production!
GM makes very appealing cars to me, but always screws up on a HUGE factor. I.E if the H3 had at least an I-6 or a V8 it would be a lot better in everybody's eyes.
An H3 with a 5.3 V8 would be pure sex and would **** all over the FJ.

 

how did you guys get the money for a test car?
Heck, maybe Jason/Chris can share a preproduction 5th gen.