The SAE MK one bunmaster......of course.

 

You sound like those guys that couldn't comprehend that a Mustang Cobra was underrated and could flatten an LS1 F-body when I posted it here a couple of months before it came out. So I'll ask YOU a question. Have you driven a 300C or Magnum Hemi, or are you just whistling in the dark here??

I have, and I believe Charlie has as well. Car & Driver magazine usually has the quickest acceleration times of all car magazines, and according to them the 300C does quarters just under 14 seconds & just over 100 mph. After driving one, I can definately say it's LT1 quick. The Dodge Magnum Hemi is supposed to be set up to be marginally quicker than the 300C (something about the program), so a Magnum wagon with a quickest time of mid to upper 13s is very likely.

Till you get behind the wheel of one, don't be like those "It's not true" Cobra naysayers and be so dismissive. It looks bad when the thread's brought back up later for "I told you sos."

 

It's still not quicker than my LS-1 A4 with a 2.73 rear end - but the GTO isn't either.

 

unless you GM guys havent been informed the 300c has something like 2.70 gears and the Magnum has like 3.10 which would make up for the misconeption of the ETs.....just my .02

 

I have driven both the 300C and Magnum RT, I can easily say that it is as quick as my old 94 Z-28. It is much quicker than my 1500 Hemi (5100 lbs versus 4000 lbs), and I am confidant that it would beat most mustang gts, stock WRXs, Acura TL type S, etc.... There is a plethora of items coming out for the LXs, but all of that will be moot until someone can crack the DCX computer. I have been waiting for a programmer for my Hemi for some time, and I am unwilling to pull my TMR wire like a lot of my friends. When a programmer does materialize (Est mid July by Superchips), my Doug's headers are going in as is my aps torque convertor. Then my much maligned Hemi will run with Ford Harley Davidsons, and possibly sneak up on some stock Lightnings. I can already beat Siverado SS at the track, so I know how potent the Hemi midrange can be. A little slow off the line, and the rev limiter cuts in too soon. Nothing a progammer can't solve. Then I think a lot of the disenfranchised F-body owners (of which I am one, having owned an LT1 and an LS1) will have a place to go that is not a Ford.

 

I believe the GTO has 3.46 rear end, and the camshaft is geared towards low end torque. I'm sure you'd probally beat an automatic GTO, but I don't think you'll be able to convince me you'd beat a manual GTO with a 2.73 rear end.

As for the 300C, seems it routinely runs sub 6 second times, and since the car either has to be well broken in or has to have brake-torque launches to hit manual GTO acceleration, I'll let you have that claim, with the disclaimer that it would take little for the "C" to match your acceleration at least up to 60 mph. LS1s are quicker than LT1s, but up to 60, it's no where near a shut out.

 

I have Guy. I knew the Hemi powered Magnum RT would be quick....but I was taken by surprise at how quick it really was. It far outmuscles any stock LT1 F-car I've ever driven. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=263153

BTW, we've had our Hemi powered Durango (wifey's car) for about a week now.....and I am still completely amazed at how fast this 5,000 lbs truck is when you stomp on the gas.

 

No, I honestly have'nt.
And keep quiet about my whistling mister!



With only the RT version getting the semi-HEMI and a 2.82 gear and at 4125 curb weight I find it funny people would post such times. What they do take out the interior and throw in an 8 year old driver?I dont know, Maybe Dodge is cheating and putting in the 3.90 gear in? Maybe the semi-HEMI is WAY underrated like the 03/04 LS1 stomper. It could be the case, Have you seen a dyno run for a Magnum? I have'nt yet.


guionM- Can I ask you a question. Ive been meaning to ask you this for a long time and you'll see in a second. Was I right or was I wrong, When before the GTO was tested I told you it would not perform any better the a 2001 Cobra Mustang? You and so many others were so quick to state it was going to be "a low 13 second car" in stock trim.

Im not trying to dog or degrade you guionM, Ive been honestly been wanting to ask you the GTO question. And FWIW I never doubted the 03/04 Cobra would be faster then the LS1 cars
I have a 04 Snake myself.

 

I'll freely admit when I'm wrong, and low 13s was a bit optimistic (though SLP got one that low, it seems no one else has yet).

GTOs quickest stock times seem to be just under 14 seconds, roughly the same as stock LS1 F-bodies (+/- 0.2 seconds generally). So while some F-body guys are still in denial over the GTO's quickness, I think the blown Cobra trauma has finally passed.

 

But the manual GTO has a 3.46 rear end so it is a "moo" point as Joey Tribbiani would say.

So since the cam is geared for "low end torque", I'm assuming it is not maximizing the HP throughout the gears, so does this cam give it better fuel economy than otherwise or is it just a marketing ploy?