5th Gens - Which engine would you like to see and think we will see?
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Originally posted by Z284ever
The other advantage is that your supercharger could be rolled into your new car financing.
The other advantage is that your supercharger could be rolled into your new car financing.
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I think the engine options are pretty much clear now.
1) 3.9L pushrod, probably rated at sub-240hp
2) 6.0L Ls2, probably rated at 360-380hp with actual output probably closer to 400hp like the c6.
Both seem to be the obvious choices since the 3.9 replaces the 3.8, and the ls2 replaces the ls1.
1) 3.9L pushrod, probably rated at sub-240hp
2) 6.0L Ls2, probably rated at 360-380hp with actual output probably closer to 400hp like the c6.
Both seem to be the obvious choices since the 3.9 replaces the 3.8, and the ls2 replaces the ls1.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
There has actually been some serious talk about this. The thinking goes...the young college grad can only afford, say, 20 grand for a base V6 Camaro. In two years he's making more money and he can afford to go down to his local Chevy dealer and purchase the GMPD developed supercharger kit for his 3.9.
The even lower bucks down guy...who buys a used V6, still gets to pay GM a couple of thousand buck for the kit too.
There has actually been some serious talk about this. The thinking goes...the young college grad can only afford, say, 20 grand for a base V6 Camaro. In two years he's making more money and he can afford to go down to his local Chevy dealer and purchase the GMPD developed supercharger kit for his 3.9.
The even lower bucks down guy...who buys a used V6, still gets to pay GM a couple of thousand buck for the kit too.
Then, technically, GM would keep the Corvette guys happy with having the Camaro rated BELOW the Vette, yet keep the hardcore Camaro guys happy by letting them buy a factory modified car that could outrun Corvettes and top-level Stangs. I think I REALLY like this idea.........
Originally posted by guionM
What if there is only base and a performance version (the SS), & that 5.3 had the same performance as the current LS1 SS, but was geared to outrun the new Mustang GT?
What if the 2nd year of production, not only did a convertible come out, and a V8 option on the base Camaro, but also a 6.0 liter LS2 Z28?
What if there is only base and a performance version (the SS), & that 5.3 had the same performance as the current LS1 SS, but was geared to outrun the new Mustang GT?
What if the 2nd year of production, not only did a convertible come out, and a V8 option on the base Camaro, but also a 6.0 liter LS2 Z28?
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Originally posted by guionM
Why?
With a 50 horse disadvantage, an LS1 already has a top speed advantage over the current Mustang Cobra of 5-10 mph.
Despite a supposed 50 horse disadvantage, the new Mustang apparently accelerates at least as quickly as LS1 F-bodies.
Z06 Corvettes can run with Vipers with 100 less horsepower.
If the next Camaro is geared right, doesn't weigh in like a pig, and has alot of torque available down low, a 5.3 even with 350 horses should be plenty quick.
Also, Cobra is Ford's Corvette. If the next Cobra (supposedly it's going to push nearly 500 horsepower) is as quick as the top Corvette, Camaro ISN'T going to outrun it.
However, expect the next top Camaro to be as quick as a base Corvette, or maybe a tick quicker.
Forget chasing the Cobra. Ain't gonna happen.
Why?
With a 50 horse disadvantage, an LS1 already has a top speed advantage over the current Mustang Cobra of 5-10 mph.
Despite a supposed 50 horse disadvantage, the new Mustang apparently accelerates at least as quickly as LS1 F-bodies.
Z06 Corvettes can run with Vipers with 100 less horsepower.
If the next Camaro is geared right, doesn't weigh in like a pig, and has alot of torque available down low, a 5.3 even with 350 horses should be plenty quick.
Also, Cobra is Ford's Corvette. If the next Cobra (supposedly it's going to push nearly 500 horsepower) is as quick as the top Corvette, Camaro ISN'T going to outrun it.
However, expect the next top Camaro to be as quick as a base Corvette, or maybe a tick quicker.
Forget chasing the Cobra. Ain't gonna happen.
And yes I realize some freak LS1s hit 12s off the showroom floor. But I've seen lots that are in the high 13s as well.
Camaro must continue its reputation as being the MUCH faster pony car.
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Gripenfelter, must be something about Canada then...
Most LS1 cars I see run low 13s with a lid and cutout...maybe mid 13s stock but the 265hp 4.6 Mustangs never seem to run better than about 13.8 in these parts. I've seen more than one dead stock LS1 m6 car run 12.90s too.
Again, I've seen some duds too, but stock for stock I've NEVER seen a late model GT run anywhere close to an LS1 car unless you are comparing an A4 LS1 to a manual Mustang...then they're in the ballpark.
Mustang's had a gearing advantage for a long time though. Dont the automatic cars come with 3.55 rear gear? I don't know how their trans ratios are set up but on the surface there appears to be some room for improvement from the standard GM A4 choice of 3.23s. Granted that could limit top speed a little on automatic cars.....
Are we thinking 5 speed auto for the Camaro or are we destined to be stuck with the 4L60E until the end of time?
Most LS1 cars I see run low 13s with a lid and cutout...maybe mid 13s stock but the 265hp 4.6 Mustangs never seem to run better than about 13.8 in these parts. I've seen more than one dead stock LS1 m6 car run 12.90s too.
Again, I've seen some duds too, but stock for stock I've NEVER seen a late model GT run anywhere close to an LS1 car unless you are comparing an A4 LS1 to a manual Mustang...then they're in the ballpark.
Mustang's had a gearing advantage for a long time though. Dont the automatic cars come with 3.55 rear gear? I don't know how their trans ratios are set up but on the surface there appears to be some room for improvement from the standard GM A4 choice of 3.23s. Granted that could limit top speed a little on automatic cars.....
Are we thinking 5 speed auto for the Camaro or are we destined to be stuck with the 4L60E until the end of time?
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I heard that GM will skip over 5 and go right to the 6spd that was in the Velite. I belive Zeta was designed for the 6spd. They designated the 6spd trans in the Velite the 6L80E, which sounds like it will be able to handle a heavy load.
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Well, here are the results from my track for the last Test and Tune...
2002 Mustang GT (air filter): 13.4@102?
1998 T/A (just K&N and catback): 13.8@102?
2002 T/A (Heads/Cam, headers, and catback): 12.7@112mph
2003 Cobra (CAI/exhaust): 12.4@113mph
Me: 12.11@116mph (I had issues with my tranny/limiter)
2002 Mustang GT (air filter): 13.4@102?
1998 T/A (just K&N and catback): 13.8@102?
2002 T/A (Heads/Cam, headers, and catback): 12.7@112mph
2003 Cobra (CAI/exhaust): 12.4@113mph
Me: 12.11@116mph (I had issues with my tranny/limiter)
Last edited by Gripenfelter; Jul 2, 2004 at 10:55 AM.
