5th gen Camaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just came to hide out for a minute.
Can you believe all the hullabalou about the GTO out there?
Imagine what's going to happen when (if?) the first 5th gen picture is released.
......OK, cover me...I'm going back into GTO land.......
Can you believe all the hullabalou about the GTO out there?
Imagine what's going to happen when (if?) the first 5th gen picture is released.
......OK, cover me...I'm going back into GTO land.......
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...and after the suprising failure of importing the LS6 powered 400 HP Pontiac GTO, many of which sit collecting dust in showrooms across the nation, Pontiac will produce and sell the Firebird once again alongside the Chevrolet Camaro. Asked about the GTO flop, one consumer said he confused them as just a more expensive Grand Prix, while others sited the non-retro design as unworthy of the GTO name...
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...and after the suprising failure of importing the LS6 powered 400 HP Pontiac GTO, many of which sit collecting dust in showrooms across the nation, Pontiac announced it will never again market a RWD coupe. Citing obvious lack of interest in the genre, GM officials will ensure all performance RWD GM vehicles are only sold outside the United States ...
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Welp if the GTO flops, it's deffinatly not because of lack of V8 RWD drivers. They will never think that. Especailly if the mustang continues to be a success for ford. The 5th gen is comming. I just hope with this GTO experiment, the 5th gen doesn't look like a mustang wanna be. It needs to have the same cut through the air look.
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I just got back from the future. After parking my DMC Delorean in the drive, I flipped through the stash of e-magazines I brought back with me. Heres something that will cheer you guys up:
Motor Trend, March 2006:
CAMARO IS BACK!
by Kevin Smith
Detroit---After the last Camaro was sold in 2002, many enthusiasts swore they would abandon General Motors, and go to the competitors. After 35 years of performance and style, production ended with no replacement in sight. Back then, The Company was just comming out of the "dark days" of Zarella-ism and brand management. But with the hiring of Robert Lutz, former Chrysler pace setter, and the man key to the Dodge Viper's success, plus many fresh faces, things were changing for the better. There were many who believed that one day the Camaro would return, better than ever.
That day has come, although it took some time. For those who have waited patiantely, you will not be dissapointed. For those who jumped ship, you should fasten your life preservers!
The 2007 Chevrolet Camaro was a long time coming, with millions of dollars invested, and more than a couple of years spent debating and perfecting the winning formula.
The project was originally an underground movement by the Corvette-Camaro team. While work was being done on the C6 (which made its debue two years ago to great acclaim), a small group of designers and engineers focused their efforts on designing proposals for a new Camaro.
It was a tough sell. They had to struggle with management that prefered to lavish big brother Cadillac and sister Pontiac with inovative products.
The case was made that Chevrolet needed a true ponycar. After the Ford Mustang (new for 2005) and Dodge Charger with the newfangled HEMI appeared, there was nothing else to do but greenlight the project.
Since most of the work was already in the early concieving stages, the program was already an easy choice for approval.
"THIS THING IS A WORK OF ART"
Many of the early ideas were for a retro (or as designers prefer to say, heritage) design. The look would borrow from the 1st generation Camaro (1967-69). After the Ford Thunderbird flopped in its second year, and sales of the old-flavour PT Cruiser sank to new lows, emphasis was put on a fresh look.
Borrowing elements from previous 'maros, the stylists made a handsome and down right mean looking car. This thing is a work of art.
The front end is very reminicent of early Z/28's, with big foglights and semi-concealed headlights. There is a seamlessly intergrated hood scoop, and cowl induction makes a return. The new Camaro is a true coupe, banishing the hatch design that was a staple for 3 generations. It has a quarter window, and perfectly proportioned spoiler simular to the 1970-73 cars. The wheel arches (front and back) are accented by very sleek cutlines that extend to the rear of the car. Speaking of the rear, its all buisiness back there. True dual-dual exhuast ports, the afformentioned spoiler and a futuristic interpretation of the 1982-92 tailights will be seen by many a Mustang driver..often!
"A TRUE DRIVERS CAR"
Inside the 5th generation Camaro, is more ussable room than ever. In fact, more than anything the competition offers. The seats are as comfortable as a catchers mit. Leather seating is an option on the SS. Multi-stage airbags (dual front, side, and new lower-level) will help keep things safe in case of emergency. The dash layout is user friendly, with information legibly displayed on white faced guages. This plus HVAC controls within easy reach make this a true drivers car. T-top fans rejoice, as they are offered across the board on all trim levels. Want to know the best part? The rear seats are ussable by adults. Im 6'2, and found the rear very accomadating to my frame.
"THIS THING IS HELLA FAST!"
Ok, so the new Camaro looks good and has a nice interior. What about performance?
There are three trim levels offered. Camaro RS, Z/28, and SS. The RS is the new base model, featuring the high-tech Vortec 4200 I6 engine. The same engine that powers the GMC Envoy and Chevy Trailblazer (also available on Buick Rainier). In the RS, this engine is tuned to produce a stout 285 horsepower and 280 foot-pounds of torque.
Need more power? Then move on up to the SS. Unlike the previouse camaro, the new SS is the middle model, offering luxury and style.
The engine offered is the trusty LS1 V8 producing 335 horsepower. This thing is hella fast, but...still need more "go"??? Move up to the Z/28, the ultimate Camaro. Special equiped with beefier suspension and highly modified racing bits (based on the C6R). It gives you a full blown LS6 V8, bursting out 400 horses at 5800 rpm and delivering 390 lb-ft of torque at 4700 rpm.
Preliminary Test Data (for Z/28 model):
Acceleration, sec, 0-30 mph 1.88
0-40 mph 2.71
0-50 mph 3.34
0-60 mph 4.46
0-70 mph 5.23
0-90 mph 7.15
0-100 mph 8.91
1/4 mile, sec/mph 12.42/123.4
0-100-0 mph, sec 14.81
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 127
600-ft slalom, mph 67.5
Turning circle, ft 36.9
Top gear rpm @ 60 mph 2000
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Motor Trend, March 2006:
CAMARO IS BACK!
by Kevin Smith
Detroit---After the last Camaro was sold in 2002, many enthusiasts swore they would abandon General Motors, and go to the competitors. After 35 years of performance and style, production ended with no replacement in sight. Back then, The Company was just comming out of the "dark days" of Zarella-ism and brand management. But with the hiring of Robert Lutz, former Chrysler pace setter, and the man key to the Dodge Viper's success, plus many fresh faces, things were changing for the better. There were many who believed that one day the Camaro would return, better than ever.
That day has come, although it took some time. For those who have waited patiantely, you will not be dissapointed. For those who jumped ship, you should fasten your life preservers!
The 2007 Chevrolet Camaro was a long time coming, with millions of dollars invested, and more than a couple of years spent debating and perfecting the winning formula.
The project was originally an underground movement by the Corvette-Camaro team. While work was being done on the C6 (which made its debue two years ago to great acclaim), a small group of designers and engineers focused their efforts on designing proposals for a new Camaro.
It was a tough sell. They had to struggle with management that prefered to lavish big brother Cadillac and sister Pontiac with inovative products.
The case was made that Chevrolet needed a true ponycar. After the Ford Mustang (new for 2005) and Dodge Charger with the newfangled HEMI appeared, there was nothing else to do but greenlight the project.
Since most of the work was already in the early concieving stages, the program was already an easy choice for approval.
"THIS THING IS A WORK OF ART"
Many of the early ideas were for a retro (or as designers prefer to say, heritage) design. The look would borrow from the 1st generation Camaro (1967-69). After the Ford Thunderbird flopped in its second year, and sales of the old-flavour PT Cruiser sank to new lows, emphasis was put on a fresh look.
Borrowing elements from previous 'maros, the stylists made a handsome and down right mean looking car. This thing is a work of art.
The front end is very reminicent of early Z/28's, with big foglights and semi-concealed headlights. There is a seamlessly intergrated hood scoop, and cowl induction makes a return. The new Camaro is a true coupe, banishing the hatch design that was a staple for 3 generations. It has a quarter window, and perfectly proportioned spoiler simular to the 1970-73 cars. The wheel arches (front and back) are accented by very sleek cutlines that extend to the rear of the car. Speaking of the rear, its all buisiness back there. True dual-dual exhuast ports, the afformentioned spoiler and a futuristic interpretation of the 1982-92 tailights will be seen by many a Mustang driver..often!
"A TRUE DRIVERS CAR"
Inside the 5th generation Camaro, is more ussable room than ever. In fact, more than anything the competition offers. The seats are as comfortable as a catchers mit. Leather seating is an option on the SS. Multi-stage airbags (dual front, side, and new lower-level) will help keep things safe in case of emergency. The dash layout is user friendly, with information legibly displayed on white faced guages. This plus HVAC controls within easy reach make this a true drivers car. T-top fans rejoice, as they are offered across the board on all trim levels. Want to know the best part? The rear seats are ussable by adults. Im 6'2, and found the rear very accomadating to my frame.
"THIS THING IS HELLA FAST!"
Ok, so the new Camaro looks good and has a nice interior. What about performance?
There are three trim levels offered. Camaro RS, Z/28, and SS. The RS is the new base model, featuring the high-tech Vortec 4200 I6 engine. The same engine that powers the GMC Envoy and Chevy Trailblazer (also available on Buick Rainier). In the RS, this engine is tuned to produce a stout 285 horsepower and 280 foot-pounds of torque.
Need more power? Then move on up to the SS. Unlike the previouse camaro, the new SS is the middle model, offering luxury and style.
The engine offered is the trusty LS1 V8 producing 335 horsepower. This thing is hella fast, but...still need more "go"??? Move up to the Z/28, the ultimate Camaro. Special equiped with beefier suspension and highly modified racing bits (based on the C6R). It gives you a full blown LS6 V8, bursting out 400 horses at 5800 rpm and delivering 390 lb-ft of torque at 4700 rpm.
Preliminary Test Data (for Z/28 model):
Acceleration, sec, 0-30 mph 1.88
0-40 mph 2.71
0-50 mph 3.34
0-60 mph 4.46
0-70 mph 5.23
0-90 mph 7.15
0-100 mph 8.91
1/4 mile, sec/mph 12.42/123.4
0-100-0 mph, sec 14.81
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 127
600-ft slalom, mph 67.5
Turning circle, ft 36.9
Top gear rpm @ 60 mph 2000
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Y'all need to get over this Z(slash)28 obsession. Z/28 and Z28 were never the top-dog models when SS's were also sold.
The only reason the Z28 was introduced in the first place was the 305-inch-limited Trans-Am Racing series (the sister of the Pontiac Trans Am).
GM is working with "high-tech" DOHC engines. That's what I'd like to see if a new Z/28 comes back. A high-revving, medium-displacement (under 305) engine. The SS should be the big-displacement (the wet dream is a 427 LS6-based) engine, SUPER-SPORT, super-STYLISH, street brute. The Z would be the >305 c.i., stripped, purpose-built race car, that's also street-legal.
The only reason the Z28 was introduced in the first place was the 305-inch-limited Trans-Am Racing series (the sister of the Pontiac Trans Am).
GM is working with "high-tech" DOHC engines. That's what I'd like to see if a new Z/28 comes back. A high-revving, medium-displacement (under 305) engine. The SS should be the big-displacement (the wet dream is a 427 LS6-based) engine, SUPER-SPORT, super-STYLISH, street brute. The Z would be the >305 c.i., stripped, purpose-built race car, that's also street-legal.
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I too strongly support the SS model as "top dog".
But, for fear of another debate, and since almost 80% of the people here (seems like it) feel the Z/28 should be the top model, I made it such in the above article.
Chevrolet is definately making SS models the top sporty variant on such vechicles as the Impala and Silverado. And I strongly feel that a Camaro SS would also be the top model offered, not the Z/28.
To appease the loyal "z/28 is king" crowd here at CZ28, there ya go guys..happy?
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But, for fear of another debate, and since almost 80% of the people here (seems like it) feel the Z/28 should be the top model, I made it such in the above article.
Chevrolet is definately making SS models the top sporty variant on such vechicles as the Impala and Silverado. And I strongly feel that a Camaro SS would also be the top model offered, not the Z/28.
To appease the loyal "z/28 is king" crowd here at CZ28, there ya go guys..happy?
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Yes. IMO a 5th Gen should go pretty much exactly the way you just described except with the Z28 being a little faster.
I'm not even going into the whole why Z28 should be top thing again but it should.
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Camaro/Chevrolet crazy F-Body lunatic.
"The new GTO, the Grand Prix/Am of musclecars." http://oz.uc.edu/~padgetjr/compare.jpg
I'm not even going into the whole why Z28 should be top thing again but it should.
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Camaro/Chevrolet crazy F-Body lunatic.
"The new GTO, the Grand Prix/Am of musclecars." http://oz.uc.edu/~padgetjr/compare.jpg
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
I'm not even going into the whole why Z28 should be top thing again but it should.</font>
I'm not even going into the whole why Z28 should be top thing again but it should.</font>
In reality, they can call the damn thing whatever they want, so long as they give us back a small, 2+2 coupe, with gourgeous lines and a fantastic GM engine, either the LS1/6 or whatever replaces it.
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Why the rollcage? Damned if I know; I bought it that way, and since I've run a 13.637 1/4, I'm keeping it! Besides, it looks cool.
