500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by ProudPony
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Just how much power can the street car on street tires handle anyways? Especially when it comes to the common Dudley-Donut-Dude that can't half drive a normal car, much less something with 500hp!!!
To me, it's getting to the point of pure bragging rights and even a little Pnis-envy.
I definitely should enjoy Ford's current run on performance and power, but as an engineer I can't help but start thinking enough is enough. I want the car successful, safe, and affordable. If I decide to go 500hp, let me do it on my own accord with Ford parts or aftermarket peices. Why risk the lawsuits, liability, costs, insurance rates, and reputation of a great basic car on some kind of a special-edition "exotic"?
I'd grin a bigger grin if Ford said they were working on a 2800-lb stripper-version of the Mustang (ummm... un-Cobra
) that will incorporate the same 400hp Cobra motor from '04. 
Just how much power can the street car on street tires handle anyways? Especially when it comes to the common Dudley-Donut-Dude that can't half drive a normal car, much less something with 500hp!!!
To me, it's getting to the point of pure bragging rights and even a little Pnis-envy.
I definitely should enjoy Ford's current run on performance and power, but as an engineer I can't help but start thinking enough is enough. I want the car successful, safe, and affordable. If I decide to go 500hp, let me do it on my own accord with Ford parts or aftermarket peices. Why risk the lawsuits, liability, costs, insurance rates, and reputation of a great basic car on some kind of a special-edition "exotic"?
I'd grin a bigger grin if Ford said they were working on a 2800-lb stripper-version of the Mustang (ummm... un-Cobra
) that will incorporate the same 400hp Cobra motor from '04. I have to TOTALLY disagree on this take.
The last Cobra WAS a 425hp car. I repeat it WAS a 425hp car. And it still only pulled high 12s@111 or so. A 75 hp bump to 500 is not going to make the stang some uncontrollable tire melting beast. But it will keep it ahead of the Vette, which is Ford's intent. Mid 12s@114-115(with TM) is not a problem for the target buyer.
Furthermore. Modding has its problems. I like my warranty. I'd like to keep it for a while. The car should simply be fast and powerful stock.
And finally I can't see why you'd prefer an 4.6L iron blocked nose weight with the old roots charger on it over the AL 5.4 GT block with Lysholm. In a stripped 2800lb egg crate, you'd get about a 60-40 weight split.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
I have to TOTALLY disagree on this take.
The last Cobra WAS a 425hp car. I repeat it WAS a 425hp car. And it still only pulled high 12s@111 or so. A 75 hp bump to 500 is not going to make the stang some uncontrollable tire melting beast. But it will keep it ahead of the Vette, which is Ford's intent. Mid 12s@114-115(with TM) is not a problem for the target buyer.
Furthermore. Modding has its problems. I like my warranty. I'd like to keep it for a while. The car should simply be fast and powerful stock.
And finally I can't see why you'd prefer an 4.6L iron blocked nose weight with the old roots charger on it over the AL 5.4 GT block with Lysholm. In a stripped 2800lb egg crate, you'd get about a 60-40 weight split.
The last Cobra WAS a 425hp car. I repeat it WAS a 425hp car. And it still only pulled high 12s@111 or so. A 75 hp bump to 500 is not going to make the stang some uncontrollable tire melting beast. But it will keep it ahead of the Vette, which is Ford's intent. Mid 12s@114-115(with TM) is not a problem for the target buyer.
Furthermore. Modding has its problems. I like my warranty. I'd like to keep it for a while. The car should simply be fast and powerful stock.
And finally I can't see why you'd prefer an 4.6L iron blocked nose weight with the old roots charger on it over the AL 5.4 GT block with Lysholm. In a stripped 2800lb egg crate, you'd get about a 60-40 weight split.
Why so the ford can keep up or be ahead with a base c6, what are they going to do about the c6 z06?
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
If Ford wants to truley compete with the Corvette, they are taking the wrong approach by using the Mustang. Even if the new 500 hp Cobra is slightly quicker than the C6, I'd still rather have the lighter, better handling, rarer, and more exotic looking Corvette.
To compete with the Vette, Ford needs to build a two seat sports car for around 50K, not an overpriced Mustang that is pushing 40K.
However, it would still be cool to have a b!tchin 500 hp Mustang. Maybe it will light another fire under GM's a@@. Competiton improves the breed.
To compete with the Vette, Ford needs to build a two seat sports car for around 50K, not an overpriced Mustang that is pushing 40K.
However, it would still be cool to have a b!tchin 500 hp Mustang. Maybe it will light another fire under GM's a@@. Competiton improves the breed.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Does anyone remember Coletti's quote about weight and horsepower from a while back? Basically, SVT will start looking at weight reduction to meet performance goals rather than continually throwing more horsepower into the product. That could've been a hint at where the next Cobra (or whatever it will be called) is going. So we might be looking at ~450 HP in a 3500 pound car as opposed to 500 HP in a 3800 pound car.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Does anyone remember Coletti's quote about weight and horsepower from a while back? Basically, SVT will start looking at weight reduction to meet performance goals rather than continually throwing more horsepower into the product.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by guionM
The only 4 passenger car you'll find with IRS at a decent weight is the BMW 3 series. But when you realize it's the size of a Cavalier, 3200 pounds doesn't sound all that great.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by Magnum Force
He was referring to the next-gen Lightning, and the escalating HP wars with that Dodge Ram SRT-10
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by AlmostfastLT1
Why so the ford can keep up or be ahead with a base c6, what are they going to do about the c6 z06?
Getting by the next Z06 will require a pulley and tune.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
Getting by the next Z06 will require a pulley and tune.
Yea in a drag race, what about stoping, cornering, quality, etc.
The mustang will not be in it's league.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by AlmostfastLT1
Yea in a drag race, what about stoping, cornering, quality, etc.
The mustang will not be in it's league.
The mustang will not be in it's league.
Yes. The Vette is a better car than the Mustang. You get what you pay for.
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Re: 500 HP SVT Cobra all but certain??
Originally Posted by AlmostfastLT1
Hang up the phone with your boyfriend and go to gminsidenews.com, zo6vette.com or digitial corvettes.
Did you really need to quote my same post twice?
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