2011 Ford Mustang Gets New 305 HP V6, 30 MPG
12-02-2009, 07:14 PM
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12-02-2009, 07:25 PM
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Keep in mind one thing - these engines, the 3.7L V6 and the 5.0L Coyote, have been ready and sitting on the shelf for over a year now. Ford made the marketing decision to release the '10 Mustang with the old 4.6/4.0 instead of the new engines. The rationale was that a certain number of buyers would get the '10s just for their new sheetmetal and interior and then a whole new wave of consumers would buy the '11 for it's new powertrains.
12-02-2009, 07:29 PM
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Keep in mind one thing - these engines, the 3.7L V6 and the 5.0L Coyote, have been ready and sitting on the shelf for over a year now. Ford made the marketing decision to release the '10 Mustang with the old 4.6/4.0 instead of the new engines. The rationale was that a certain number of buyers would get the '10s just for their new sheetmetal and interior and then a whole new wave of consumers would buy the '11 for it's new powertrains.
12-02-2009, 07:31 PM
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I was quoting Mustangs vs Camaro's... the ones most people can afford (not variations of each car that cost upwards of double the amount of money), and the Mustang has been playing catchup for roughly 20 years when the two cars go head to head model year vs model year. Please, tell me the last time a Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the same model year Camaro SS? Keep in mind, this thread has been mainly about engines.
12-02-2009, 08:16 PM
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12-02-2009, 08:23 PM
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I was quoting Mustangs vs Camaro's... the ones most people can afford (not variations of each car that cost upwards of double the amount of money), and the Mustang has been playing catchup for roughly 20 years when the two cars go head to head model year vs model year. Please, tell me the last time a Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the same model year Camaro SS? Keep in mind, this thread has been mainly about engines.
I think I see your point in that the base Mustang V6 and V8 models may actually be faster than the base Camaro V6 and V8 models in MY 2011 for the first time in a while. On the other hand, there were 7 model years with no Camaro at all, so....
For me, the whole Ford v. Chevy argument gets a little more meaningless each passing year.
12-02-2009, 08:44 PM
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I was quoting Mustangs vs Camaro's... the ones most people can afford (not variations of each car that cost upwards of double the amount of money), and the Mustang has been playing catchup for roughly 20 years when the two cars go head to head model year vs model year. Please, tell me the last time a Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the same model year Camaro SS? Keep in mind, this thread has been mainly about engines.
Honestly a better comparison would have been when has a Mustang GT been faster than Z/28 (IROC Z, ect). To which I'd say it was pretty even right up till 1993 until 2002 when the Camaro had the advantage. 2003 to 2009 Ford for obvious reasons had the faster car
and Camaro with a regular production SS (since there was no Z/28) regained the title in 2009Now if you really wanna dig deep, IIRC right around 1982 Mustang GT's (and maybe till around 1986 - maybe somebody has some old comparo's archived) had the nod as well, being you know the car that kicked off the second musclecar era.
Honestly from day one the Camaro has been about 10/10ths performance where Mustang with the exception of a few years has been about 7/10ths performance with some 10/10ths cars sprinkled in.
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12-02-2009, 09:36 PM
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I was quoting Mustangs vs Camaro's... the ones most people can afford (not variations of each car that cost upwards of double the amount of money), and the Mustang has been playing catchup for roughly 20 years when the two cars go head to head model year vs model year. Please, tell me the last time a Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the same model year Camaro SS? Keep in mind, this thread has been mainly about engines.
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12-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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I was quoting Mustangs vs Camaro's... the ones most people can afford (not variations of each car that cost upwards of double the amount of money), and the Mustang has been playing catchup for roughly 20 years when the two cars go head to head model year vs model year. Please, tell me the last time a Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the same model year Camaro SS? Keep in mind, this thread has been mainly about engines.
And even head to head performance bragging rights have not always translated into sales and profit for the company.
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12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
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It was meant as a joke since I'm more into drag racing than killing cones. I've been around long enough to know a bit of your drag racing history 
12-03-2009, 03:58 AM
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What I'm saying is... Tell me the last year when the Mustang and Camaro were both produced that the Mustang GT was faster or more powerful than the Camaro Z28/SS (because chevy decided to throw the SS badges on this time around instead of the Z28 badges for the V8 base model). The IROC-Z was the last car the Mustang even had a chance of beating in peformance and that was back in 1992, nearly two decades ago. I understand that GM didn't produce a car in 7 model years. But GM's 1998 offering is still faster and more powerful than Ford's 2010 offering. The Mustang has been behind in power, acceleration and speed for two decades on it's mass produced pony car. I don't dislike Mustangs, but the Mustang has been behind in power, acceleration and speed for decades.
12-03-2009, 04:03 AM
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Well, thats certainly a loaded question since the previous iteration of the Camaro SS was more or less a special model just like the SVT Mustangs.
Honestly a better comparison would have been when has a Mustang GT been faster than Z/28 (IROC Z, ect). To which I'd say it was pretty even right up till 1993 until 2002 when the Camaro had the advantage. 2003 to 2009 Ford for obvious reasons had the faster car and Camaro with a regular production SS (since there was no Z/28) regained the title in 2009
Now if you really wanna dig deep, IIRC right around 1982 Mustang GT's (and maybe till around 1986 - maybe somebody has some old comparo's archived) had the nod as well, being you know the car that kicked off the second musclecar era.
Tru'dat, they have until it seems recently been two cars with two different missions and the Camaro vs. Mustang has largely been the invention of the enthusiast.
Honestly from day one the Camaro has been about 10/10ths performance where Mustang with the exception of a few years has been about 7/10ths performance with some 10/10ths cars sprinkled in.
Honestly a better comparison would have been when has a Mustang GT been faster than Z/28 (IROC Z, ect). To which I'd say it was pretty even right up till 1993 until 2002 when the Camaro had the advantage. 2003 to 2009 Ford for obvious reasons had the faster car
and Camaro with a regular production SS (since there was no Z/28) regained the title in 2009Now if you really wanna dig deep, IIRC right around 1982 Mustang GT's (and maybe till around 1986 - maybe somebody has some old comparo's archived) had the nod as well, being you know the car that kicked off the second musclecar era.
Tru'dat, they have until it seems recently been two cars with two different missions and the Camaro vs. Mustang has largely been the invention of the enthusiast.
Honestly from day one the Camaro has been about 10/10ths performance where Mustang with the exception of a few years has been about 7/10ths performance with some 10/10ths cars sprinkled in.
12-03-2009, 04:07 AM
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Well, thats certainly a loaded question since the previous iteration of the Camaro SS was more or less a special model just like the SVT Mustangs.
Honestly a better comparison would have been when has a Mustang GT been faster than Z/28 (IROC Z, ect). To which I'd say it was pretty even right up till 1993 until 2002 when the Camaro had the advantage. 2003 to 2009 Ford for obvious reasons had the faster car and Camaro with a regular production SS (since there was no Z/28) regained the title in 2009
Now if you really wanna dig deep, IIRC right around 1982 Mustang GT's (and maybe till around 1986 - maybe somebody has some old comparo's archived) had the nod as well, being you know the car that kicked off the second musclecar era.
Tru'dat, they have until it seems recently been two cars with two different missions and the Camaro vs. Mustang has largely been the invention of the enthusiast.
Honestly from day one the Camaro has been about 10/10ths performance where Mustang with the exception of a few years has been about 7/10ths performance with some 10/10ths cars sprinkled in.
Honestly a better comparison would have been when has a Mustang GT been faster than Z/28 (IROC Z, ect). To which I'd say it was pretty even right up till 1993 until 2002 when the Camaro had the advantage. 2003 to 2009 Ford for obvious reasons had the faster car
and Camaro with a regular production SS (since there was no Z/28) regained the title in 2009Now if you really wanna dig deep, IIRC right around 1982 Mustang GT's (and maybe till around 1986 - maybe somebody has some old comparo's archived) had the nod as well, being you know the car that kicked off the second musclecar era.
Tru'dat, they have until it seems recently been two cars with two different missions and the Camaro vs. Mustang has largely been the invention of the enthusiast.
Honestly from day one the Camaro has been about 10/10ths performance where Mustang with the exception of a few years has been about 7/10ths performance with some 10/10ths cars sprinkled in.
So if everyone wants to keep saying that the Mustang has been superior to the Camaro in performance over the past 2+ decades that's fine. The power numbers, acceleration numbers and top speed numbers show that the Camaro has had the Mustangs number for quite a few years. Financial numbers don't mean a thing when you're comparing perfomance. So to the guy who brought up profitability, why did you even bother? That wasn't part of the discussion.
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