That was not the debate.

The debate was whether you'd smoke it, remember?

 

Alright, internet hero, I'm just telling you what i know, as I've OWNED a car with either motor. I've taken the LSJ completely down, and rebuilt it. Haven't had the LNF for long enough to say yet, but its certainly a different animal. The LSJ is 10x easier to make more power, easier with. DI isnt something easily messed with, and it limits your options without a standalone fuel system. Also, the stock turbo on the LNF is pretty much ragged out from the factory. Borg Warner K04 iirc. As far as future potential with aftermarket parts, the LNF definetly has more there. With a decent sized turbo, a viabletuning solution, and a little bit of work, there is a monster of a motor ready to be unleashed. It wont be cheap however. And DI really limits the off the shelf parts that can be used.


My LSJ with $1000 in mods made 280whp in my ion (14.0@106 mph, 2920 pounds)
My LNF with $1000 in mods makes 260whp in my sky(14.0@100 mph, 2940 pounds)

The ion is over 5 mph faster in the 1/4, but both run similar times due to RWD/FWD and the ungodly terrible gearing in the LNF's 5 speed gearbox.




Back to your points. The LNF doesnt have an awesome cooling system. The stock radiator is TINY and the intercooler is even smaller. Stock internals pushing 350? Yeah, its possible, but not with a stock turbo. There isnt enough airflow to support much over 300 if it even gets that much. And like I pointed out earlier in the post, this isnt your average pcm. It's light years ahead of the stuff GM sticks in its vehicles. DI is no joke. Oh, and the factory wideband is useless for tuning purposes, just in case you were wondering.

 

Stock for stock...I will, but then someone brought up the boost/pulley/controller deal.

 

>Holy crap it was moved!!!

 

And then you hit big *** brick because the M62 at that point is already overspun , sure it dirt cheap to make it up to 280-290 hp...but dont expect to go north of 300 hp with the stock blower . Then your faced with either a $2500++ twinscrew swap or a turbo swap if u choose to make more power . If the SS was Turbo charged from the get go , the aftermarket would have been much larger than it is now , and youd be seeing alot more SS's making SRT-4 like power . But as it stands , most of the modded SS's and Redlines save for a select few are stuck hovering around 270-290 hp with the typical 2.5 pulley/60lb injectors/meth combo and cant afford to do what it takes to make more power .

I can wait for the LNF pcm to be cracked completely to take full advantage of all the virtues of the 2.0 DI engine . Itd be much cheaper to replace the factory already about maxed out twin scroll with a more competent head unit , exhaust mods and boost controller , good tuning( tuned for E85 ) and Im laughing my way to 400 hp land . Thats just not happening on a LSJ without substantial amount of money ....unless u spray the **** out of it .

 

Sorry dude but one of my cars is just as fast and the other is faster than yours. Our cars arent that fast. This isnt 1995 this isnt the day when they where the new power on the street. They are getting old. You cant beat evreything you race. And you might be able to beat a stock cobalt SS but you wouldent "smoke" it.

 

Stock for stock i would put my money on the a TC cobalt. They will be pushing the same HP and the cobalt is a lighter car. The Lt1 might get it from a dig still. But I doubt it.

As it stand I have no problem walking slightly modified LT1 from anything over 5 mph. Dont get me wrong, I loved my LT1.

 

Cobalt SS with the supercharged engine is certainly worthy of the SS badge.

Although I can't argue that Chevy has played fast & loose with the badge the past decade, the SS was most certainly NOT meant only for muscle cars. Go back and review your history.


You ought to listen to corvettezl1;4641070. You're making the mistake every person who finds the LT1 Camaro the quickest thing they ever drove... they think the thing's Thor's own hammer.

Yes, the LT1 is very quick in it's own right, and was even ferocious by 1990s standards. But you're being a bit cocky thinking you're going to take down a SC Cobalt SS without trying.... let alone a new V8 Impala or Monte Carlo SS.

The Impala SS will just about match a stock LT1 Camaro in acceleration and top speed (yes, an Impala will go 155 mph... till the limiter steps in). In short, you may edge one out, but you won't be "smoking" one.



10 other cars I'd suggest you stay away from at the risk of severe embarrassement in front of the friends and aquantences you probally bragged to about how quick your '95 LT1 Camaro is :

1. Ford Mustang Mach1s with 5 speeds. They will devour you nearly as bad as blown late model Cobras.

2. Ford Lightning pickup trucks (trust me, it's the ultimate humiliation)

3. Anything that has the letters SRT in it..... Yes, that includes Neons.

4. Charger R/T. Once the computer feels the engine is broken in, it'll just about match an LT1 in acceleration. Yes, that also includes that station wagon thingy called Magnum.

5. Current Mustang GTs, again once the engine computer relaxes at break-in (they'll edge you out every time).

6. New V8 GXP Grand Prixs. You'll get them off the line, but they catch you by the end of the quarter.

8. Any late model GTO. You don't even want to try it.

9. Saturn Sky Redline or Solstice GXP. With half the cylinders, they'll get to 60 before you do, and and will keep that lead in most any street or freeway grand prix.

10. Any BMW with an M as part of it's badge made since 2000.

 

Nice driving Sally! Does your husband race??


jfwy

 

FWD+ No LSD + Wussy clutch = wheelspin and clutch spin.