I don’t know, GRN…maybe this is where you and I differ but in the dark ages (before the internet was used outside of academia and the military) I read just about anything I could get my hands on when it came to the industry; I “concentrated” on makes like Pontiac and GM in general but I read a lot..all that I could…because I love cars and I love the industry and what’s happening in the industry no matter who’s nameplate is on a particular vehicle.

I guess it’s partly out of that background that I tend to post a lot about non-GM stuff in this forum; I guess I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that people who care about cars and the industry can see beyond the “GM” logo and want to know what’s happening even if it isn’t a GM vehicle.

Yes I do get drawn into some very long and sometimes very heated discussions defending Nissan’s at times but that has more to do, as I said above, with responding to inane and asinine comments made by some and it's difficult to sit on the sidelines and let truly stupid comments go unchallenged. However, that doesn’t mean I so one-sided as to think that Nissan is perfect or that every Nissan vehicle is perfect.

 

oh its not big deal i find my self some what biased and i love to hear about new performance vehicles out there weather there gm or not but i dont want to hear about camarys, sentras, focuses. i though the skyline thread was great so maybe my problem is so much nissan its non performance orientated.

and i do read about other cars non gm although i haven’t been doing my home work lately

and as people bashing my car well i dont think i would keep my mouth shut to and i understand that and i have no problem with you thinking nissan is perfect or not to each his owe.

 

If that is the case why are you in here reading about the littlle ole' non performance Altima? Personally my beef isn't with you. You have been defending your side and opinois with rational thought basically just for our little discusive argument we have goin on here. Mine was with Pacer X's childish picture posting. I still havnt heard WHY people dislike Nissan so much. That was my question from the beginning.

 

i personally dislike there styling except with the 350z the altima isnt bad either. and i dont think the rest of there cars are bad but my freind has a ton of problems with his sentra

 

Yeah I can see what ya saying about the styling. I didnt like at first either. I really like the new Altima rear and I am not sure about the front since it looks like the Maxima used to. I am waiting to see it in person. January is to see a 350Z refresh at Detroit I believe. What type of problems with the Sentra? Some of those can be great and others a pain.

 

2 radios, wheel bearing, its spits gas at him when he is filling up and has a code for the evap system, he has a few other minor probs with it.

 

yea ideas an opinions..the idea was to use the analogy of a baseball team for the opinion you have of waving the Nissan Flag in a GM site...reguardless of what forum its in..

 

That's my bad on the Altima, I've driven the 07 Maxima about 50 times and the two somehow slipped together in my mind. Lack of sleep on that one. Is it the same CVT as they use in the Titan? If so, then my statements still stand.

 

The Titan??? No CVT in the Titan; the only transmission that's ever been available in the Titan is a five speed auto.

For that matter, no CVT in any of the trucks or SUVs (except the Murano).

The CVT has been making it through the Nissan/Infiniti line for a few years now and at this point, is available (sometimes standard/sometimes optional) on all the cars except the Z. I believe it's also at least available on most of the Infiniti line.

 

The point I was trying to make about the analogy and why I didn't feel it worked was that at a baseball game is all about one thing; beating the other team...there is no place for discussion or reason or an exchange of ideas nor is there suppose to bt; it's strictly a competition; nothing more and nothing less.

A forum, on the other hand is supposed to be exactly that; a place to discuss and exchange information; even argue; even to agrue with passion. However, all that can be done without personally attacking someone just because some one doesn't like someone elses opinion. In fact, keeping it above the personal attacks is the only way you will have a real exchange of meaningful ideas and opinions.

 

same could be said about the auto industry..beating the comeptition..and the
"strictly a competition; nothing more and nothing less." many could say the same thing about cars..and its just something to get you to point A to point B..and they dont care if its made by Caddy or Chery...there is more to any buisness..and Baseball is more than just a competition..just like the car biz.

and again this is the internet..GM board and you work for the so called "enemy"...and yes the easy way to say it is "you suck" but the thing is some people are just that simple...and thats the level your going to get from them..and seeing it on your level they will never do..but Ican tell you one thing this may be a GM foavored board..but you cannot tell me there is not better automotive news on this forum than any other board..

 

You can assume whatever you wish but assuming doesn't make it so - as I've told others in this thread, who I have worked for, do work for or ever will work for is not anyone's business but my own.

Yes, this is the internet but the anonymity of the internet doesn’t give license to people to be rude, idiotic a--holes as some have been - just because some are on “that level’ doesn’t mean their ridiculous or insulting comments should be allowed to stand unchallenged.

 

The article that started this thread was over 6 months old.

I guess we could go back and post all the first drive articles that Edmunds has written over the past year . . . .

 

Gal darn it, I'm just worn out. I meant Murano....jeez. The CVT is the same deal though between models, in other words the Murano and Altima share identical transmissions?

 

Since you guys wanna be so technical about it, I think the admin should make 2 separate threads. One for Non-GM Automotive News and another for GM Automotive news so that there would be no more confusion...unless you guys just totally wanna ban non-GM cars from this site....