I don't think you can put Nissan and high quality in the same sentence. The Altima does pretty well but if it wasn't for the VQ I doubt they would even be mid-pack. Do I need to mention the Quest?

 

first off I like Nissan...second your GM=good and everything else=Bad..yes sure its a Camaro board..its like being in Yankee Stadium and being a Red Sox fan..your going to get heckled...and backing it up with reason and long logic is not going to get you anywhere here..

and last..
You really dont think so??? Auto press have been so negative to Detroit since the 90's they have been kicking them while they were down for a long time..cus it the was in thing to do...and if you never thought that Im sorry..they deserved it when Detroit made crappy cars..but not anymore..

 

No offense, but if you work for Nissan, of course you're going to have that opinion.

Even though I too find it a bit funny to call the Altima a "hooligan", in the end, this board is for all automotive discussion. If you're not interested in Nissans, why click the thread?

 

Historically, Nissan has always put performance ahead of gas mileage; whether you consider any of their cars "sporty" or not isn't the point.

As for the Altima, I wonder how many you've actually driven? That aside, since I know you haven't driven an '07 yet, just what is the basis for your opinion???

As I said to someone else a few posts ago, if you've got such a problem with the article why don't you take it up with the author; the direct link to the article has the guy's email address...have fun!

 

Well the only reason I started with Nissan was for a two month internship that I needed to graduate. The reason I stayed is because I ended up likeing the brand. I have the opinion I do because I have been around the product and know the product, not based on my internet ego opinoin.

And as far as one performance car. SKYLINE, SILVIA, 240SX, all of the Z's, 200SX. Nissan has been about performance its entire life.

Put it this way they are like Chevy in Japan. According to you Chevy's rule and are a true performance brand right? Nissan is really like this in Japan being one of the first performance oriented devisions. Sure Toyota had the Supra, but what else?

 

Thats going pretty far to prove a point and actually Chevy is considered the blue collar brand that anyone can step into..Pontiac is supposed to be the "performance" brand but thats besides the point.. and the cars mentioned the Skyline and so on..the thing with Chevy and not talking about GM is they have 4 times that amount of performance cars over the years..even now from the vette all the way down to the cobalt SS..they have more performance product that Nissan..and thats just chevy..
and the other statement about "chevy's rule" well hate to throw it back at you but thats what your tying to say to us about nissan..and like said before...if your at Fenway park and a yankees fan your going to get the comments your getting now..even if the team (car) is better they still suck..

But back to comparing Chevy to Nissan you cant..Nissan just has to take care of Nissan and Infinity..where Chevy is part of a bigger group of GM..now if said group was the same size..well you might see somethign that blows the doors off of everything out there..but you gotta give some ofthat to Pontiac in the GXP's and the GTO's, Saturn in the Redline and the Sky's, Buick with the Lucerne and the Enclave, GMC and the Denali and Sierras, Caddy with the V series and the everything from that..Hummer..nuff said..and Chevy..and they got an inpressive line up too..
Not saying Nissan is a bad car actually love the Pathfinder, and loved driving the G35 sedan we had for our wedding..But to tought and then say "well you dont work for them you dont know" well if the shoe was on the other foot..

 

Well, just because the "crowd" chooses to ignore logic and reason and would rather make their "points" by doing things such as posting pictures and attacking people personally (either directly or indirectly) doesn’t mean their behavior is acceptable nor does it mean that everyone else has to get in the gutter with them. Being passionate about "their brand" is fine, doing so at the cost of ignoring all rational thought is not, IMO.

As to the magazines, no I don't think so…as I said in another thread:

“…I just don’t buy into the belief system that every automotive publication and every automotive journalist is part of some grand conspiracy to attack and diminish anything domestic.

There is bias in everything and while you may well find bias in what is clearly opinion about a particular vehicle, much of the testing data displayed in publications are from independent testing firms with no particular axe to grind and/or provided by the manufacturer itself.”

Most of my problem with people citing the grand automotive press conspiracy is that those very same people who will call a particular magazine or journalist “biased” when he writes something they don’t like will turn around in another thread and cite the very same publication/author when they say something they agree with.

 

What I was trying to proove in my last post was the Nissan has performance and always has. I was never trying to proove that Nissan is BETTER than any other devision. All I was ever trying to do was to show that Nissan is a quality brand with performance and style and has a real quality product. I also wanted to know WHY people do not like the brand. Which has yet to be explained.

Exactly. The arguement with Pacer started because of this. He did nothing to try and make his point logical and rational. Instead he posts pictures and attacking people doing nothing to explain his point.

 

and like I stated with the baseball analogy...

you walk into the home teams stadium you not going to get anything but what your getting...you can put as much logic rational thought behind your responses but the point is your wearing the other teams jersey..cant ignore the fact..
Now here is the way I stand..like I said I like Nissan..would I buy brand new...no..If soemthign used came along that was in decent shape I would take it..like I said my mom drives a pathfinder and its a great SUV.
The only auto I would buy brand new is an American companies, and not cus of this or that and the cars or parts are made here or there or Canada the things built in Australia or mars..the end result is that I am buying from a company that was created here in the U.S. and finacially the money goes back to a company thats in the U.S. not to a company overseas..I am supporting the home team..and like I said with the baseball thing it sums it up again..the parts or (players) might be from everywhere to make the team a good one but the fact is the home office and management (owners) are in the same city your in, not the visiting team..

 

This isn’t a baseball game we are talking about; this is a discussion forum…a place for the exchange of ideas and opinions and that’s especially true of the “Automotive News/Future Vehicle Discussion” section.

And as I said, passion for one’s “home team” is fine; even a good thing, but passion fueled by blind loyalty, positions based on a total lack of independent thought (and sometimes a lack of any though at all) or opinions based on what a company used to be (and isn’t any more) deserver to be called into the light of day and exposed for what they are.

Not every “non-GM” article or the journalists who writes it or the vehicle it's talking about deserve to be derided by those who have never had an independent thought nor do those who post such articles in this forum deserve to be derided and personally attacked simply for posting them – if such postings or the vehicles they discuss are so hated by some here then perhaps they should just not read them and let those who want to carry on some real discussion do so.

 

.... and the web site happens to be labeled CamaroZ28.com. Just about every forum available here is associated with a GM product/model/motor/club etc. Folks here are pretty receptive to just about anything.

With your trend of posting negative articles and speak of GM and promotion of Nissan as the holy grail, one can come to a "logical" conclusion with a majority of members here being enthusiasts of the Camaro and other GM products, thus a predominately GM site, are not going to agree with your pro Nissan stance, thoughts, or perceived logic.

Flip the coin. For a GM fan go into a predominately Nissan site, posting thoughts and criticisms of Nissan, and promoting GM brands, models, features benefits, do you really think this scenario would be welcome and supported in open arms? There's some simple logic there and it should be a clear indicator of the expected acceptance to such.

Respectfully….

 

Robert you know ill agree with you when your right and tell ya when your wrong. but this is a pro gm site and that cant be confused. we all have no problem about you posting something new and innovative going on at Nissan its interesting to hear whats new and innovative in the automotive world but we don’t want to hear about ever single time nissan does something like update a car. if i wanted to hear about up and coming Nissan i would go join a Nissan forum.

i have told you in the past that you shouldn’t be so shocked at the response to your pro Nissan stance and while i respect you liking them suggested you tone it down a bit for this site. sometimes i wonder if you just post these things to rile up the crowed.

Robert I mean no disrespect by what I said you’re a good guy and stick to the facts in a conversation. Im just saying I wouldn’t keep siting there poking a sleeping lion with a stick.

 

Derek/GRN,

I appreciate your comments.

Frankly, I’m not asking or seeking anyone to “agree” with me…if they do that’s fine, if they don’t, that’s fine too. Honest debate does not require agreement. I don’t know that I post things to "rile up the crowd" – I do often post things in hopes of generating real discussion and debate; maybe that’s just an unrealistic expectation???

For the record, I don’t have a problem with people posting thoughts and criticisms of Nissan whether made here or on a “Nissan site” but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that there be some thought underlying the posts. What I do have a problem with (on a “Nissan site” or this one), are inane or puerile comments based on hatred, bigotry or just plain childish thought processes (or sometimes, lack of any thought process). Such comments deserve to be taken to task.

I’m not sure what “negative articles” you are referring to unless you mean the financially based ones. I post what’s being reported. Finances are what they are; I can’t help it if they aren’t good news for GM right now but people should not ignore them just because they don’t paint a rosy picture.

As has already been said in earlier posts in this thread, this is the Automotive News/Future Vehicle Forum; and it is not just for GM vehicles only; if that isn’t the case then one of the admins need to jump in here and say otherwise. Until then, if people don’t want to read about information on vehicles other than GM vehicles then perhaps they should simply not read them or stick to other sections that are, obviously, intended for only Camaro/GM.

Before we get completely off topic, I posted this article about the new Altima because 1) It is in the “top ten” of vehicles sold in the US, and 2) The next generation will play a significant role in Nissan’s success or failure in the US over the next few years (just as did the generation it’s replacing did).

Given that, some people might like to know about the Altima…certainly people who care about the automotive industry as a whole ought to have at least some interest even if they would never buy one for themselves (as I never will); those who aren’t interested can remain uninterested.

 

This thread was started to show the new generation of Altima. Not just some update. If you dont want to read about it dont click. And according to that why is there even a forum for GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE NEWS if what is posted about other Manufacturers isnt liked? That is why this part of the board is here.

 

listen i have no problem about hearing about new and up coming nissans but you know what there have been more posts on here lattly about nissan then there is gm. like i said if i wanted to hear about nissan i would go to a nissan forum. i have no problem hearing about new nissans hear and there thats great. i wouldnt dare go to a nissan forum and post up gm stuff non stop or every little time gm did something.

by the way it does not say general automotive news it says AUTOMOTIVE NEWS not general.