2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by johnsocal
8gigs could hardly be considered a 'server'
when my ipod has over 30 gigs.
Toyota just needs to make their cars with seemless ipod integration IMO.
when my ipod has over 30 gigs.Toyota just needs to make their cars with seemless ipod integration IMO.
And the word server has never been defined by storage space.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by Threxx
They already offer aux input on quite a few Toyota and Lexus models, just not controls from the headunit.
And the word server has never been defined by storage space.
And the word server has never been defined by storage space.
8 gig = Server in 1995
8 gig = Server in 2005
I envision a ‘real’ auto server in the future with at least 30 gigs and integrated wifi so when you park the car in your garage you can have it automatically update its playlist, podcasts, and etc directly from your pc/mac to the cars hd.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by johnsocal
Aux input is hardly 'seemless' ipod integration and its 8 gig server is pretty pathetic. If one is going to call it a 'server' , its really only a 'server' on technicality by todays standards.
8 gig = Server in 1995
8 gig = Server in 2005
8 gig = Server in 1995
8 gig = Server in 2005
A server in 1995 is still a server in 2005. 8 GB is not very much space if you want to upload your entire mp3/divx collection, but let me ask you a question, how many people who buy 30 GB iPods actually fill them to the full with mp3s?
Why not just herald this as a pretty awesome technology to make it into a car?
By similar comparisons, I wouldn't bring up a household microwave to the picture when discussing heated cupholders.
I envision a ‘real’ auto server in the future with at least 30 gigs and integrated wifi so when you park the car in your garage you can have it automatically update its playlist, podcasts, and etc directly from your pc/mac to the cars hd.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
[QUOTE=muckz]Server (taken from dictionary.com) - A computer which provides some service for other computers connected to it via a network.
Why not just herald this as a pretty awesome technology to make it into a car? [QUOTE]
Because 8 gigs is nothing to get excited about, especially in a expensive luxury car. Also most aftermarket stereos with built-in HD have mostly failed in the marketplace because they're answering a 'question' that no one is asking at this time.
What the marketplace wants at this time is seemless ipod integration as reflected in great ipod sales while built-in car HD's still sell poorly. Sure car HD's are more expensive but their interface is not to the level of the ipod and that's what the marketplace wants. I would like to see Apple do a joint venture with Alpine, Pioneer, and etc to truly bring out a wi/fi and HD enabled car stereo that automatically links up with itunes and updates playlist and etc. The masses love their ipods and they want a car stereo that is just as easy to use.
Why not just herald this as a pretty awesome technology to make it into a car? [QUOTE]
Because 8 gigs is nothing to get excited about, especially in a expensive luxury car. Also most aftermarket stereos with built-in HD have mostly failed in the marketplace because they're answering a 'question' that no one is asking at this time.
What the marketplace wants at this time is seemless ipod integration as reflected in great ipod sales while built-in car HD's still sell poorly. Sure car HD's are more expensive but their interface is not to the level of the ipod and that's what the marketplace wants. I would like to see Apple do a joint venture with Alpine, Pioneer, and etc to truly bring out a wi/fi and HD enabled car stereo that automatically links up with itunes and updates playlist and etc. The masses love their ipods and they want a car stereo that is just as easy to use.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by johnsocal
Because 8 gigs is nothing to get excited about, especially in a expensive luxury car. Also most aftermarket stereos with built-in HD have mostly failed in the marketplace because they're answering a 'question' that no one is asking at this time.
What the marketplace wants at this time is seemless ipod integration as reflected in great ipod sales while built-in car HD's still sell poorly. Sure car HD's are more expensive but their interface is not to the level of the ipod and that's what the marketplace wants. I would like to see Apple do a joint venture with Alpine, Pioneer, and etc to truly bring out a wi/fi and HD enabled car stereo that automatically links up with itunes and updates playlist and etc. The masses love their ipods and they want a car stereo that is just as easy to use.
What the marketplace wants at this time is seemless ipod integration as reflected in great ipod sales while built-in car HD's still sell poorly. Sure car HD's are more expensive but their interface is not to the level of the ipod and that's what the marketplace wants. I would like to see Apple do a joint venture with Alpine, Pioneer, and etc to truly bring out a wi/fi and HD enabled car stereo that automatically links up with itunes and updates playlist and etc. The masses love their ipods and they want a car stereo that is just as easy to use.
Ipod integration isn't very exciting to me to be honest as I don't have or want an ipod. I use Napster to go for unlimited legal downloading without paying per song and use my Treoo 700w as my portable player most of the time as I don't like carrying around an additional device just for music.
Whaddya wanna bet that 8 gigs is enough for most people who will be driving an LS460, and for those that it isn't, I really doubt it would be that hard to hack and upgrade.
By the way, ipod sales vs automotive hard drive system sales is a weak comparison. That's like saying 'well look at the sales of all in one stereo systems vs distributed audio systems!'. Of course the simpler easier to use system that doesn't require technical prowess or hired installation is going to be more popular. But this HDD-based system in the Lexus is pre-installed, so assuming it has relatively intuitive ease of use, it should be appreciated by plenty of people.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by muckz
Why not just herald this as a pretty awesome technology to make it into a car?
.And 8GB is not a lot. I have twice that worth of songs on my IPOD and that doesn't include my entire music collection.
IMHO, I personally would much rather seamless IPOD integration anyway. That way I can specify how much storage I want by my purchase decision for the IPOD and it's portable when I want to take it somewhere and listen to music on the go. What would be even more awesome would be some sort of interface to work with several of the popular MP3 players.
And back to the topic, inside looks nice, outside kind of bleh. But then again the only Lexus I've been a fan of looks wise (exterior) has been the IS series.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
It would cost less to get the items for yourself then to option for it in that car. Pioneer CD with AUX input jack 250 and up, 120 for the control unit that allows you to use the CD player to pick songs from iPod, to install it Best Buy usually does it for free or 25 at most when you buy it from them. So much cheaper that way plus the CD player looks better and has better sound quality a lot of the time.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Originally Posted by johnsocal
What the marketplace wants at this time is seemless ipod integration as reflected in great ipod sales while built-in car HD's still sell poorly. Sure car HD's are more expensive but their interface is not to the level of the ipod and that's what the marketplace wants. I would like to see Apple do a joint venture with Alpine, Pioneer, and etc to truly bring out a wi/fi and HD enabled car stereo that automatically links up with itunes and updates playlist and etc. The masses love their ipods and they want a car stereo that is just as easy to use.
BMW made some agreements with Apple, and some new GM vehicles have that as well.
But a total iPod integration? That woudl be cool, except I think it makes little sense to include in a factory car (unless special ordered). Only a few people have iPods compared to all car buyers.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Just another thought occurred to me, what about non-Apple mp3 players? I am sure their technology is not licensed to other manufacturers - so that the apple ipod controller cannot control other mp3 players, such as creative or rio. That could be a good move on the part of apple, but a simpler solution (and much cheaper) is to simply have line/aux in jack.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
Apple has deals with a lot more than just BMW. Publicly, however, they have not announced any partnerships with GM. More info here.
iTunes has 83% of the market. 42 million iPods have been sold, with 32 million of those sold last year alone (data from the keynote speech given by Steve Jobs yesterday). Apple keeps making the whole system better, and more and more people keep buying. I, along with many people, like the idea of controlling song selection and such from my steering wheel audio controls, and in the integrated systems, you can do that. Many of them also show song/artist/album on the radio display. With a line/aux in jack, you couldn't do that.
iTunes has 83% of the market. 42 million iPods have been sold, with 32 million of those sold last year alone (data from the keynote speech given by Steve Jobs yesterday). Apple keeps making the whole system better, and more and more people keep buying. I, along with many people, like the idea of controlling song selection and such from my steering wheel audio controls, and in the integrated systems, you can do that. Many of them also show song/artist/album on the radio display. With a line/aux in jack, you couldn't do that.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
I have 19gb on my ipod already and that will only increase as the years go by. People dont want to spend the time to rip their cds into the car stereo or any other hassle trying to transfer mp3s, adding podcasts, and etc from their pc to car stereo system.
While Napster subscription service ain't bad, it has failed to attact the excitement and sales of the ipod/itunes. More and more car stereo companies and and will make their stereo compatible with the ipod since the ipod is by far the best designed (and best selling) mp3 player on the market (followed by the 'ZEN' IMO).
BMW/MINI were the first to start proper integration of ipods and that will only improve and the recent announcement from Chrylser/Dodge is another step in the right direction.
As soon as Apple releases a wi/fi enabled ipod within the next year or two it will change the car stereo market forever. Bluetooth doesnt have the capacity to stream music and blue-tooth 2 is alot better but wi/fi where it needs to be.
While Napster subscription service ain't bad, it has failed to attact the excitement and sales of the ipod/itunes. More and more car stereo companies and and will make their stereo compatible with the ipod since the ipod is by far the best designed (and best selling) mp3 player on the market (followed by the 'ZEN' IMO).
BMW/MINI were the first to start proper integration of ipods and that will only improve and the recent announcement from Chrylser/Dodge is another step in the right direction.
As soon as Apple releases a wi/fi enabled ipod within the next year or two it will change the car stereo market forever. Bluetooth doesnt have the capacity to stream music and blue-tooth 2 is alot better but wi/fi where it needs to be.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
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BMW/MINI were the first to start proper integration of ipods and that will only improve and the recent announcement from Chrylser/Dodge is another step in the right direction.
What is Dodge/Chrysler doing for that matter - a full controller integration?
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
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GM was advertising their cars as iPod friendly, but they just have an aux jack. Do BMW/Minis actually have a controller for the iPod to use it with the stereo controls?
What is Dodge/Chrysler doing for that matter - a full controller integration?
What is Dodge/Chrysler doing for that matter - a full controller integration?
Check out this page for more info:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipodyourcar/
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
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GM was advertising their cars as iPod friendly, but they just have an aux jack. Do BMW/Minis actually have a controller for the iPod to use it with the stereo controls?
What is Dodge/Chrysler doing for that matter - a full controller integration?
What is Dodge/Chrysler doing for that matter - a full controller integration?
Here's some news about Dodge/Chrylser & ipod:
Over Three Million Chrysler, Jeep & Dodge Automobiles to Support iPod Connectivity in 2006.
The Chrysler Group today announced that it will be the first American automaker to provide full iPod integration as an option in most of its 2006 models, with over three million 2006 Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge models offering seamless iPod integration beginning this spring. Drivers will be able to listen to their iPod through the car’s audio system, select their music by artist, album or playlist with radio or steering wheel controls and view selections on the radio’s display.
"Customers have been asking for iPod connectivity and we’re excited to make it available to so many of our vehicles in 2006," said Randy Ewers, director, Mopar Accessories Portfolio Team. "We’re providing the largest number and range of automobiles with iPod support of any automaker, allowing Chrysler,
Jeep and Dodge owners to bring and listen to their entire music collections."
"We’re thrilled that over three million Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge automobiles will offer great iPod connectivity in 2006," said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s vice president of Worldwide iPod Product Marketing. "Over 40 percent of all cars sold in the US in 2006 will offer iPod connectivity."
iPod is the number one digital music player in the world, providing the best way to listen to music on-the-go, at home and in the car. The iPod economy continues to flourish with accessories made specifically for iPod that range from fashionable cases to speaker systems, and 16 carmakers currently offer iPod support. For a complete list of carmakers please visit. In addition, an array of after-market solutions are available from Alpine, Clarion, Kenwood and Pioneer for automobiles that currently do not offer iPod integration.
The Chrysler Group today announced that it will be the first American automaker to provide full iPod integration as an option in most of its 2006 models, with over three million 2006 Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge models offering seamless iPod integration beginning this spring. Drivers will be able to listen to their iPod through the car’s audio system, select their music by artist, album or playlist with radio or steering wheel controls and view selections on the radio’s display.
"Customers have been asking for iPod connectivity and we’re excited to make it available to so many of our vehicles in 2006," said Randy Ewers, director, Mopar Accessories Portfolio Team. "We’re providing the largest number and range of automobiles with iPod support of any automaker, allowing Chrysler,
Jeep and Dodge owners to bring and listen to their entire music collections."
"We’re thrilled that over three million Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge automobiles will offer great iPod connectivity in 2006," said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s vice president of Worldwide iPod Product Marketing. "Over 40 percent of all cars sold in the US in 2006 will offer iPod connectivity."
iPod is the number one digital music player in the world, providing the best way to listen to music on-the-go, at home and in the car. The iPod economy continues to flourish with accessories made specifically for iPod that range from fashionable cases to speaker systems, and 16 carmakers currently offer iPod support. For a complete list of carmakers please visit. In addition, an array of after-market solutions are available from Alpine, Clarion, Kenwood and Pioneer for automobiles that currently do not offer iPod integration.
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS460 - wow. 380hp, 8spd-auto, 19-spkr audio w/ 8GB music server, etc
What I want is a touch screen navigation head unit that will allow me to browse into folders and select songs/playlists. (GUI). Now THAT would be much cooler then an IPOD. Although, you could use the IPOD for the storage device which it seems that some of these systems are doing...
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