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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

From Brad's site:





Remember - don't shoot the messenger because of the message. I was just told this just moments ago and wanted to pass it on.

From an extremely reliable inside source at SVT (who is best friends with my sister's husband), this is supposedly the gospel of a lot of what we will see in the new Cobra. This car is already scheduled to debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January of 2006 with delivery available in mid (May/June) 2006 as a MY2007. Prototypes that are on the streets today are almost indistinguishable from other SN197's other than tires and exhaust note. There are a couple using unorthodox hood arrangements but these are supposedly not the cars with the drivetrains we will see. Here is what I was told will be the heart and soul of the next Cobra. Time will tell...

Motor: 5.4 Supercharged, 3 valve heads (with HUGE valves), forged internals similar to the 4.6 (Crank, rods, etc), modestly rated (under rated actually) ~465 HP/495 lb ft Torque, using a twin screw S/C similar to that on the Ford GT but pullied differently, hence the lower HP. This motor was supposedly made official (in house only) just in the last few days. It will NOT be rated the equal or even close HP-wise as the Ford GT exotic for exclusivity reasons. It will have more restrictive intake/exhaust systems than the Ford GT which is partly to blame for the lower performance numbers. Also, a cold air induction system will purportedly being looked at as an option but may be standard if it can get past the bean counters.

Transmissions: 6 speed manuals standard with a heavy duty 5 speed auto (the tranny used on the Ford Superduty but programmed/geared differently) as an option in late '07 or the '08 M/Y.

Suspensions: A re-engineered, heavy duty IRS will be an option with a modified 3 link/panhard bar-live axle setup as the standard rear axle. SVT will be going for the Road Race buyer as well as the straight line racer with both axles optional. However, the Axle options are not set in stone as of the moment but look highly likely to be approved. The Cobra will be lowered about 1.5" from a stock GT.

Bodywork: The retro theme will continue with a serious nod to the '67 Shelby. The fenders may be flared more than the standard '05 but that is not for certain as of now. The ducktail will be factory installed. Also, no convertible is planned for now but no reason was given other than concerns over chassis reliability due to the torque volume.

According to "John Doe" (he does not want to get 'relieved' of his assignment), only 3 of the Cobra protos built so far have the S/C'd 5.4 in them. There are actually 6 or 7 on the streets now, not all at the same time but there are similarly painted versions of different cars. There are also supposed to be three Protos with 6+ liter motors in them, 2 with blowers, one that is N/A but these will not be used in the next generation Cobra.

Supposedly, the 6+ Liter motors (he does not know the precise specs on them) are a Hurricane based engine with radical camming and a "first for Ford style of fuel delivery." I have no idea what he means by that and he would not elaborate to my sister either - apparently he was only repeating what he was told.

Tires: Alledgedly, the 5.4 S/C'd cars are running 315's on the rears, 275's on the fronts using 18" rims. Similar setups are on the other Protos. However, the 315's may only be optional with 295's being the standard fare.

Performance: The 5.4 S/C'd cars have been clocked in the very low 12's (12.10-12.25) in the quarter at nearly 120 mph and have been traction limited, according to "John". They are also supposedly able to pull over 1 G in handling.

Per "John", SVT is also adding enormous brakes and will be using an air cooled Intercooler, opting away from the water cooled version used previously due to reliability concerns (?). Other touches will possibly include some form of active/adjustable suspension as an option but he did not know much about it.

Supposedly, we should expect a price to be in the very high $30k range (base price - 6 speed, live axle, base tire/wheel combos) according to his sources in the know.

Also - prototype Mach 1's are also on the streets. These are supposedly running N/A'd 5.4's, tuned for 370hp with the 6 speed transmissions for now and debate still ongoing about which auto to use. None of the proto Mach's are running the Shaker hood to keep them cloaked to spying eyes. This car is supposed to appear for the '06 M/Y with some final tweaking to be set in stone by Jan/Feb 2005.

"John Doe" is considered to be an extremely reliable source. He said that Ford will rely heavily on already built/designed components rather than exotic pieces.

He also said that Ford is hoping to stymie the rumored F-body's comeback sales numbers with more powerful engines in the V6/GT Mustang in M/Y 2007 cars, perhaps as high as 20% increases in HP/Torque with 10-12% increases in fuel economy. If true, we could be seeing 320/325 HP GT's in 2007! Purportedly, GM is planning to use detuned LS2's in the F-bodies and Ford wants to head them off early with upgraded 3v motors.

I believe this info to be highly accurate based upon the source.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 12:28 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

465 HP/495 lb ft
that is insane. i guess the next gen base camaro won't be able to handle it
the Z/28 most likely will though.
with forged internals, we are gonna see some crazy power numbers on the stock shortblock.
so we are talking over 500hp with simple mods? (pully, exhaust, tune)

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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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Wow...this is a lot to take in at one time.

New to Ford fuel delivery Direct injection?

Nice to see Ford upping its game just in time for a Camaro comeback Means GM can't slouch.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 02:48 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

Sounds like it's going to be a screamer. At first I was disappointed at the confirmation of the car moving upmarket, but now that Ford has the Mach1 model it works out great. Mach 1 for the guy who wants something more than a GT but not something too extreme, and the Cobra for the guy who wants the baddest Mustang on the block. Hopefully this encourages the general to step up and compete.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MunchE
Sounds like it's going to be a screamer. At first I was disappointed at the confirmation of the car moving upmarket, but now that Ford has the Mach1 model it works out great. Mach 1 for the guy who wants something more than a GT but not something too extreme, and the Cobra for the guy who wants the baddest Mustang on the block. Hopefully this encourages the general to step up and compete.
Isn't the '04 Cobra in the northern $30K's as well?
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 05:05 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

An 04 Cobra Coupe had an MSRP of ~$36k. Anything is possible, but an 07 Cobra that came in at under $40k would be QUITE surprising.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 08:30 AM
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I'll have to admit...I saw a silver '05 GT on my way in to work today and it was a very sharp, classy looking car. NOT a mullet machine. I don't know if age will change that or not, but my guess is no.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 08:39 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

I was a little surprised at the talk of an auto. Unless I'm mistaken, this will be the first SVT car with a slushbox option. Gotta make the straight line guys happy I suppose...

Everything sounds very exciting to me as thoughts 465 hp dance through my head...

Good to know Ford will be there to console me if GM doesn't come through with the 5th gen
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 09:10 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

I had been hearing rumors of Hurricane motors in Mustangs and even predicted at one time that the 2007 Cobra would have one in it. This is when I was telling you guys it would be N/A and not supercharged. Since they've killed off the Lightning for now they're pushing to have the Cobra come out much sooner, which is going to make them switch engines. I don't think they can get the Hurricane out in time for a 2006 release (how I wish I was wrong). But I can honestly say I wouldn't be dissappointed with a 5.4L S/C combo

The Mach1 with a 5.4L is what I've been hearing for quite some time now. I've known about that for about a year. I am surprised with the 370 hp number though as I thought it would be more like 350 hp but focused more on high torque.

Things are looking really good over at Ford. They might be a tad behind the release of the 2005 GTO and Dodge "Charger" if that's what it's going to be called, but one year behind isn't too bad considering they have a 300 hp GT to keep people busy.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

As I read that...I can't help but to think that these insane HP numbers have to be nearing the end. For a common car on the street to have 500++HP is just STUPID. Insurance is going to go through the roof and I can't imagine the number of accidents and deaths as a result of these power figures.

Call me old and overly cautious...but this is getting crazy (and I'm an enthusiast)!
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 09:42 AM
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Right now there are plenty of stupid drivers with the cashola to buy cars of this price, but there's not a huge supply of cars with enough HP to generate spectacular accidents based on stupid drivers not knowing how to handle a high HP car.

With the introduction of a relatively mass production Z06 & this cobra, along with all the other high hp models out there these days (500hp trucks, 550hp vipers, etc. etc. etc). Enough stupid people are going to kill themselves that some well meaning but naive legislator either in some state or in Congress will propose hp limits.

It will be another attempt by nanny-staters to protect us from ourselves, it will be another example of good intentions making bad law. Rather than the insurance crunch part 2, I think this is the way its going to go. If you have enough money to buy a $40,000 car and make the payment, I don't think a high insurance bill is going to affect your buying decision.

The problem with the original muscle era is that the big power cars were not awfully expensive. Sure the top models were, but the cars most folks could afford had big big power too, and the insurance costs made it prohibitive for an average earner to own those cars.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 10:37 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

this was also posted at themustangsource, which I must admit in a VERY short time has become one of the most informative stang resources around...

I am course am interested in how the final product looks, weighs, and costs (since I'm not affording a Corvette)...Mileage will also be a concern if it's especially bad...

And I too must admit I'm getting more and more nervous with 500+ HP cars out on public roads...the drivers around here raise more than enough hell with motorcycles and Honda civics My idea has always been that a sport/performance driving school certification should be strongly suggested before buying a car with xxx HP....because the guy/girl that learned how to drive on grandma's Buick Invicta will soon be renting space in the boneyard after driving irresponsibly with today's high-power cars
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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Re: 2007 Cobra Mustang skinny.....

Originally Posted by uluz28
As I read that...I can't help but to think that these insane HP numbers have to be nearing the end. For a common car on the street to have 500++HP is just STUPID. Insurance is going to go through the roof and I can't imagine the number of accidents and deaths as a result of these power figures.

Call me old and overly cautious...but this is getting crazy (and I'm an enthusiast)!
Come on now, that car is not going to be common like a friggin honda or toyota. It's gonna cost north of 40k for starters (when you add in options onto the base price that guy quoted) and production numbers willl be limited to < approx. 12+ thousand a year I'm guessing (like the previous Cobra). So you are not going to see these things everywhere. Fewer Cobras are made each year than all vettes put together. And I think it will be great handling car too that will complement that big motor. And you are not gonna see pimply faced, baggy pants rice-boys or vacant cell phone toting morons driving one.

OT, I think Ford *really* is stepping up their game (as others have said) to the point where no top of the line f-bod in 07 means I would seriously look at an 07 Cobra.

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Old Dec 14, 2004 | 11:40 AM
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Keep on thinking that...

My point was that these BIG HP cars are becoming more and more prevalent. If you don't see any repercussions down the road because of this, you are naive IMO.
Old Dec 14, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum Force

And I too must admit I'm getting more and more nervous with 500+ HP cars out on public roads...the drivers around here raise more than enough hell with motorcycles and Honda civics My idea has always been that a sport/performance driving school certification should be strongly suggested before buying a car with xxx HP....because the guy/girl that learned how to drive on grandma's Buick Invicta will soon be renting space in the boneyard after driving irresponsibly with today's high-power cars
I wouldnt mind seeing some kind of certificate program either. The good way to go about doing it would be for it to be an insurance perk, not a LAW. Like, if you complete this driving course, and get the certificate, your insurance goes WAY down, and if you dont complete it, they make it almost impossible for you to have a NEW car with over a certain # of hp. The program could be sponsored by the insurance companies or something. But I doubt that would happen. But yeah, a Cobra with that much HP from the factory is crazy.



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