Thanks Darth! Bought her in March, between the SS and my buddy's old Accord I learned to drive a stick in a couple nights and I've been loving it ever since. Already done more mods to this one than I ever did to the '94...I guess I'm addicted.

 

Very cool!

I am a bit embarassed I didn't notice until just now.

Driving a stick is addicting, isn't it? I miss it dearly. It really does make driving more fun!


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Notice how i didn't say "handled better"?. I merely said it would put up better times on some tracks (assuming there are decent straightways).

The Ls-1 camaro would do decently in the curves, and do a very good job on the straightaways given its clear acceleration advantage. It'd makeup most ground lost in the curves given enough straightaways is what i meant. I believe this was the case in a C&D shootout where the camaro SS edged the S2000 out. Nothing against the s2000 since it was giving up 100+hp and 200+lb-ft of tq.

The same with the Integra Type R and Mustang GT shootout done by Sport compact mag. The mustang won by 2 seconds on one track, and lost by a couple of tenths on a more twistier track. It wasn't a better handler, but it had done decent enough in both the curves and straightways to hang with the better handling ITR on the curves.

So i didn't mean it handled better.

 

Are you wacko?

I guess you have never driven a Z28 or SS, the SS came with several different suspension pkgs. the best was a Blizten stage II pkg. The 4th gen. would outhandle many sportscars costing twice as much, all on a dated chassis that debuted back in 1982 and was updated in '93 with a new front suspension.

The 4th gen. cars are impressive handlers.

I wonder why so many performance driving schools used F-Bodies back in the 90s?

 

There is no Supra. Toyota has slipped away into old person land along with Buick and Lexus. There is nothing exciting nor anything that would arouse any type of excitement coming from Toyota so get used to it. Toyota's are for grandmas. As long as Scion has the dumb Gen Y'ers attracted to there 100hp beasts of the street, Toyota will keep making high quality cars for people in there 60's and up.

 

All thoes companies have some sort of performance side to them. Nissan is making sporty cars, as is Dodge, Ford and Chevy along with Pontiac. You would think with Toyota's entry into F1 and the Nascar truck stuff that they would make some sort of performance car, but no. If you think about it, Toyota is probably the only company right now that doesnt offer a performance car, and thats between the 3 brands.
- GM has Corvette, and various SS models, GTO, GP GTP, and Bonnie GXP, Regal GS (at least for now), XLR and CTS-V and most of there cars have a sporty side
- Ford has the Stang and GT along with the L (for now) along with various other cars in the group.
- DCX has SRT Viper, Ram, and Neon, Crossfire, 300C, and Magnum
- VW has various Turbo 1.8T models and along with VR6 and the R32.
- Honda has the S2000 and tries with the Civic Si
- Mitsu has the Evo
- Nissan has 350Z, G35 along with Altima and Maxima
I know I missed a few companies, but you get the point.
Toyota is the only one that doesnt play in the performance market now. Only car that comes close is the Celica and tC.

 

AFAIK Toyota kicked around the idea of a new Supra but canceled the project before it got very far along....

 

Why are we comparing a 4 passenger V8 coupe with a 2 passenger sports car?

This reminds me of those Camaro SS vs Nissan "Z" comparisons some people here made, completely ignoring the Infinity G35 coupe from the same company that actually was in the same class & price range as the Camaro.

 

Red made a few statements at the last gathering in Bowling Green, about 4th gens beating the C5's around the test track....he was mighty proud

 

i guess the IS300 (soon to be IS430 or whatever) doesn't count. neither does the MR2 Spyder. and if you're going to put the Bonnie GXP and GP GTP on there as a performance model, GS430 is your answer. I'd honestly take the GS over either the Bonnie GXP or GTP without a second thought. and that's only in the past two years have those cars even existed (as the 'new' iteration of the car anyway. i wouldn't even put up the older ones against a GS as a joke). the GS has been around for at least double that. how quickly we forget huh? and if you're going to put a Regal GS (huh????) as a performance model, woof.

i agree the Toyota BRAND needs some of that special sauce we call sport, but performance isn't dead at Toyota as a whole.

 

The Scions are pretty damned good value. I don't know how a 14k compact is somehow overpriced. Maybe if you're used to shopping for a Korean car. Styling is subjective, some people like them some hate them. The tC is looking to be a big hit. RSX-ish styling and competitive horsepower (160hp) for $16k.

A Supra is not a way to get in with the youth market, since the youth market doesn't have $45k to spend on a car. If they want to lust after an unattainable Supra, they can just look at the one that was already built. I'd love to see Toyota back in the game though, more performance cars is never bad. But it doesn't make a lot of market sense for them to make the car. Why enter an increasingly saturated market with a car that was discontinued because it was too expensive for it's demand? Remember, there's a reason they stopped making the RX-7 and the Supra

The RX-7 I don't think would be cross shopped with a Camaro. I imagine it'll cost at least 10k more, and be more aimed at the 'vette market as it was when it was last sold. I think the Camaro's competitor will be the RX-8, and even that is fairly indirect.

 

I read about that too. I think it was 97 or 98, but a Camaro pulled more G's on the skidpad than the Vette. I'm sure the Corvette/Camaro team upped the ante with the Vette soon after because it was only a one or two year thing if I remember correctly.

Anyone have any links to confirm this or maybe Red could chime in? I cant remember where I saw this but I swear its not BS. I didnt believe it when I read it either.

 

i like going to sites like this to see people like you blab about stuff they dont understand. for example, neversummer a 79 turbo rx7 hmmm did they turbo first gen. no the only turbo first gen is done by swopn to a 13bt or rew13btt. also a 250hp n/a 13b is yet to be in mazda speeds line up.mabey your thinkin of the 255hp twin turbo. z28x yes they burn oil. the oil a rotary burns is injected by a oil metering pump, or in some racing applications pre-mixed like your weed eater. they typically burn 1qt every oil change. also i am a vehicle inspector in texas and the only rxs that fail emissions run like **** a good runnin rx will pass with flying colors. and z28x you think they have 1/4 the hp of a big block go to www.dysonrotary.com

 

What the hell? Do you just troll around boards and run a search for "RX7" to see if you can dig up 2+ year old posts and argue?

 

It's true. The 1st year or 2 of the C5, Camaro Z28s could out run them on a track. Not by a huge margin, mind you, but it wasn't until a change in the C5 (active handling??) that the C5 outran the Z28.

Weight, tires, IRS, and all the other items people imagine as rulebook factors in handling in reality aren't.

Truth is, the live-axle Camaro Z28 is a sort of miracle of GM's engineering ability.