Do you really suck at reading this badly? I just explained it to you. GM and Suzuki, together, own a minority (though when combined close to 50 percent) stake in Daewoo. The majority is still held within Korea, and the entire production and design process is Korean. So congrats... you buy a 10,000 dollar Aveo and most every dollar of it goes back to Korea, who built the vehicle. Then IF they actually turn a profit on the car, GM gets a moderate chunk, Suzuki gets small chunk, and Korea gets a big chunk of that, too.

I haven't downplayed a single point I understand the point of business is to make money. That's what the part manufacturers are trying to do as well... hell, even Bob that works at the local factory is in it to make money to bring back to his American family. EVERYBODY is in it to make money... not just the corporate entity sitting above it all.

My point is that in my example, even using your 1,500 dollar amount... 18,500 > 1,500. Thus to only be concerned with the much smaller number out of the two is closed minded. Period. But then again you already pretty much admitted to being closed minded about judging a car by the name on the front of it so I guess there's no use in stating anything obvious.

 

my sister's Jette also had "high quality" materials and construction. but oh, that was _before_ it started falling apart. and I mean literally.

your dad should have also tried rotating and ballancing his tires before blaming GM for his car shaking at freeway speeds. ANY car will do that with bad tires.

 

o rly?

 

I give up...enjoy your Corolla.

Honestly...please do a bit more research on VW/Audi quality before you post. The epitome of quality-hadicapped....

 

obviously I'm not getting through. so lets try this another way...


D O__Y O U__H A V E__A__S O U R C E ?


excuse me if I don't just take your word for it with the lame google images link that tells me nothing I didn't already know.

ok, first that's assuming that 100% of 18,500 figure is actually EARNED HERE. it is not. not even close. despite being made here and sold here, a LOT of the content is sourced to foreign operations. that means that potentially there's more money that leaves here than comes here. so your comparison there is kind of short sighted for someone who is allegedly "opened minded".... secondly, not every import is manufactured here. many are not. in which case it is still FAR more desirable to purchase a GM imported car than a car imported by a "foreign" corporation. That doesn't just mean the Aveo either. Take SAAB for example.

and I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your personal attack garbage except to say:

1. NICE WAY TO DERAIL A THREAD.... AGAIN
2. get over yourself.
3. lose the agenda or join the ranks with Buickman... I mean why are you and your side kick mr00jimbo even posting here?

 

When GMDAT was originally established in 2002, GM owned 44.6%; Suzuki (a GM partner) owned 14.9%; and SAIC (GM's main Chinese joint venture partner) owned 10.6%. In 2005 GM increased its own share to 50.9%. Ownership within Korea is now less than a third.

IIRC, most of GM's ownership of GMDAT is through Holden, similar to how GM's partial ownership of Subaru was through GM Canada.

 

The Aveo is made by GM in their Korean factory. It is no different than an Australian built GTO, or the 3400s built in China by GM. It's all about globalization

 

[QUOTE=morb|d]My comparison was an extreme example because it seemed to take such an example to get you to admit that the profits in a car, whether 500 or 1500 were of little matter compared to the rest of the money used to make the car. End of example. Apparently it went over your head that my example was used as the polar opposite of the statement usually used on this forum which ignores everything but the end profits. What I mean when I say shades of gray (didn't think I'd have to explain myself in such detail) is that neither my 'example' or the opposite 'example' is the case... it's shades of gray inbetween. And it takes an open mind not to just judge the economic impact of a car by reading the label on the front; which is what you flat out told me you do earlier in this thread.


You could have let my comments be. You're the one that wanted to argue over a simple statement.

That's a great one. Look in the mirror and you might get somewhere with that one.

Oh I love it... HERE is where the truth really comes out. In fact it coincides exactly with my favorite slogan
Future vehicle discussion forum; outsiders unwelcome

Which essentially translates to; worship GM 99% of the time or more or you aren't welcome here.

And that's more or less what you told me.

I don't have an agenda against GM; you might have heard me praise quite a few of the new GM vehicles announced in here recently. I think GM is on a great track. But people like you only see the negative stuff that I post, and apparently it's negative if I mention the previous model launch's issues (which people here do all the time; albeit, generally only if it's an import launch) or that I dared to say a GM vehicle with a Chevy badge on it is going to be sending the majority of the money you paid to Korea.

And on that note, google search for it youself... there's a million links out there stating GM's ownership aquired in 2002 and then a bit more in 2005, as well as Suzuki and the rest belonging in Korea. But as my point has been the more important question is where did they design it, build it and where did they get their parts and the answer to all of that is KOREA.

 

How is something made by GM... I understand that GM has ownership of part of Daewoo, but are they importing American GM employees or is GM's name just sitting ontop of a building that a bunch of native Koreans go to work in as they source their parts from Korean parts facilities?

Again, this comes down to the question of how much do parts, design, and labor cost vs the profit in the vehicle (and in this case that profit only partially goes to GM).

 

Not everyone that works for GM is American, it is a global company. If your pay check comes from GM then you are a GM employee. If GM owns the plant and tools that make a GM branded car, then it is a GM car. The New Aveo was designed by GM employees working all over the world. THat last Aveo was designed in Italy.

The Chevrolet Captiva was designed out side the US and will be built in Korea and sold in Europe but it rides on GMs Theta platrofm and uses some of the same GM engines you see in the USA like the 2.4L 4cyl. and a 3.2L version of the High Feature DOHC V6.

 

I understand that and have no problem with that, personally, whatsoever. But there are guys who snub their nose at a Honda badged car that was built in the US by US workers using almost nothing but US-made parts.... to me, that Honda is much more supportive of the domestic economy than Korean workers and Korean parts, whether or not they wear a GM badge on their shirt.

 

I agree, the Korea built GM's only help the GM stock holder. I run into people all the time that say dumb stuff like "I'd never buy an American made car" and them I'm like ...."you know where your Accord is built right?" That shuts them up quick.

 

Jetta = Mexican made. Audi = German made. Different materials, quality control levels, budgets, markets, everything. Tell me a Cavalier is built the same as a Cadillac.
They weren't bald, the car was always like that. He had two Buicks (still has one) and they both do it.

 

I did do research, and like I said, VW and Audi are different companies altogether.
And I will enjoy my Corolla. in 2 years I'll trade it in evenly on a 2005 STS and maybe pocket some change.

 

Yeah, just like how Buick and Cadillac are different companies altogether.