2006 Civic Si test.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
Originally Posted by edmonds
Save the cash. When the Si hits this fall, the only folks still buying the Acura will be the badge-conscious and lovers of leather seats. Their issues, their loss.
Well , and maybe people who want a MUCH better looking car in and out .
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
How many people spend time above 5000 rpm!?
Should call it a GiXeR...
I'd rather have a Cobalt SS, with power in a useable range.
Not bad looking, but reminds me of the Solara..
Should call it a GiXeR...
I'd rather have a Cobalt SS, with power in a useable range.
Not bad looking, but reminds me of the Solara..
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
No thanks. I'll take a Cobalt. For looks and power.
I have yet to drive a Honda motor that I liked. And I've driven various (Civic and Integra) Type-R's, Si's from early 90's models all the way up to the latest Si (you know, the one with the goofy shifter protruding from the dash). Guess thats what I get from having lots of Honda loving friends but anyhow.....
I just dont like how you have to rev their 4 bangers to insane levels to hit the power band. Its like you have to literally kick the car in the a** to get it moving. The S2000 I drove was fun being it was light, rwd and you could toss it around, but once again, revving to about 6 grand to get power isnt as fun as power at 2 grand (fyi, the civics and integras power bands sat a little lower than this). Their V6's are another story. The new Accord actually makes a decent bit of power at a nice spot in the rpm range.
Just my humble opinion. At least they tried to make it look more sporty than the current model......
I have yet to drive a Honda motor that I liked. And I've driven various (Civic and Integra) Type-R's, Si's from early 90's models all the way up to the latest Si (you know, the one with the goofy shifter protruding from the dash). Guess thats what I get from having lots of Honda loving friends but anyhow.....
I just dont like how you have to rev their 4 bangers to insane levels to hit the power band. Its like you have to literally kick the car in the a** to get it moving. The S2000 I drove was fun being it was light, rwd and you could toss it around, but once again, revving to about 6 grand to get power isnt as fun as power at 2 grand (fyi, the civics and integras power bands sat a little lower than this). Their V6's are another story. The new Accord actually makes a decent bit of power at a nice spot in the rpm range.
Just my humble opinion. At least they tried to make it look more sporty than the current model......
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
So basically it gets LS1 Fbody gas mileage with half the horsepower and torque at three times the RPM with way more complexity in a fugly fwd shelll that has fattened up to a 5.0 mustang weight, all while drinking premium gas to get there Who buys this garbage
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
Originally Posted by Bad AZz Z28
So basically it gets LS1 Fbody gas mileage with half the horsepower and torque at three times the RPM with way more complexity in a fugly fwd shelll that has fattened up to a 5.0 mustang weight, all while drinking premium gas to get there Who buys this garbage
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
I think most everyone here on cz28 would rather have a Cobalt SS, but when you add the performance package to the SS to get the LSD and Recaros, and a sunroof you have a car which stickers right under $24,000.
The Civic Si will probably come in at $19,000 base, probably $21,500 (pure speculation) for one with navigation and sunroof. The non supercharged Cobalt SS with a sunroof and airbags and upgraded radio, no lsd, no fancy "sporty" seats and no navigation costs ~20,500! Also keep in mind that the current RSX Type S only traps ~2mph slower than the Cobalt SS does. When looking at it from this perspective the Civic Si seems like it ought to be a pretty competitive car.
I think Honda was smart when they came up with a position for this car. Instead of trying to outpower Cobalt SS, they made a car just a hair behind it in performance, with a few extra bells and whistles that will end up costing about what the 171hp SS will cost.
True you have to rev it, and it wont be as readily upgradable as a car with forced induction from the factory, but there obvisouly already is a fanbase for this kind of car seeing as high strung hondas are pretty much the poster-car for the sport compact scene. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs on the market.
The Civic Si will probably come in at $19,000 base, probably $21,500 (pure speculation) for one with navigation and sunroof. The non supercharged Cobalt SS with a sunroof and airbags and upgraded radio, no lsd, no fancy "sporty" seats and no navigation costs ~20,500! Also keep in mind that the current RSX Type S only traps ~2mph slower than the Cobalt SS does. When looking at it from this perspective the Civic Si seems like it ought to be a pretty competitive car.
I think Honda was smart when they came up with a position for this car. Instead of trying to outpower Cobalt SS, they made a car just a hair behind it in performance, with a few extra bells and whistles that will end up costing about what the 171hp SS will cost.
True you have to rev it, and it wont be as readily upgradable as a car with forced induction from the factory, but there obvisouly already is a fanbase for this kind of car seeing as high strung hondas are pretty much the poster-car for the sport compact scene. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs on the market.
So the point of buying this car is what?
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
Originally Posted by Steve0
I think most everyone here on cz28 would rather have a Cobalt SS, but when you add the performance package to the SS to get the LSD and Recaros, and a sunroof you have a car which stickers right under $24,000.
The Civic Si will probably come in at $19,000 base, probably $21,500 (pure speculation) for one with navigation and sunroof. The non supercharged Cobalt SS with a sunroof and airbags and upgraded radio, no lsd, no fancy "sporty" seats and no navigation costs ~20,500! Also keep in mind that the current RSX Type S only traps ~2mph slower than the Cobalt SS does. When looking at it from this perspective the Civic Si seems like it ought to be a pretty competitive car.
I think Honda was smart when they came up with a position for this car. Instead of trying to outpower Cobalt SS, they made a car just a hair behind it in performance, with a few extra bells and whistles that will end up costing about what the 171hp SS will cost.
True you have to rev it, and it wont be as readily upgradable as a car with forced induction from the factory, but there obvisouly already is a fanbase for this kind of car seeing as high strung hondas are pretty much the poster-car for the sport compact scene. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs on the market.
The Civic Si will probably come in at $19,000 base, probably $21,500 (pure speculation) for one with navigation and sunroof. The non supercharged Cobalt SS with a sunroof and airbags and upgraded radio, no lsd, no fancy "sporty" seats and no navigation costs ~20,500! Also keep in mind that the current RSX Type S only traps ~2mph slower than the Cobalt SS does. When looking at it from this perspective the Civic Si seems like it ought to be a pretty competitive car.
I think Honda was smart when they came up with a position for this car. Instead of trying to outpower Cobalt SS, they made a car just a hair behind it in performance, with a few extra bells and whistles that will end up costing about what the 171hp SS will cost.
True you have to rev it, and it wont be as readily upgradable as a car with forced induction from the factory, but there obvisouly already is a fanbase for this kind of car seeing as high strung hondas are pretty much the poster-car for the sport compact scene. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs on the market.
I honestly doubt the Si is going to put nearly enough power to the wheels to complete with the Supercharged SS.
I like the Honda's seats better.
Also, the supercharged coupe takes premium.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
Originally Posted by Evilfrog
Ok, what is the trap speed of the RSX? ARe you saying it traps about what the 2.4L SS traps or the SS/SC?
I honestly doubt the Si is going to put nearly enough power to the wheels to complete with the Supercharged SS.
I like the Honda's seats better.
Also, the supercharged coupe takes premium.
I honestly doubt the Si is going to put nearly enough power to the wheels to complete with the Supercharged SS.
I like the Honda's seats better.
Also, the supercharged coupe takes premium.
Whats funny about the Road and Track article I read was that the Cobalt SS beat the RSX to 60 by a full half second, but then lost its lead at the top end of the track. I wonder if that was due to the way the Cobalt is geared, or driver error? I have yet to see one run in person at a track.
Like I said though, Honda isnt trying to outpower the Cobalt. Theyre undercutting it. They're offering a car which will ought to be as fast as the RSX Type S a good $2-3,000 less than the Supercharged SS. It also just a tad more expensive than the non supercharged SS. Say youre a young adult, looking for a cheap sporty 4 cylinder coupe, aesthetics aside, because they are totally objective, the Civic Si offers a good compromise in price, performance and options.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si test.
Originally Posted by Steve0
In the latest issue of Road and Track there was a comparison of the Cobalt SS to the RSX Type S. The Cobalt SS ran a 14.8 @ 96.8 to the RSX's 15.0 @ 94.8. The fastest trap I've seen for a Cobalt SS was 98mph. I've seen 96mph out of a RSX Type S before. I know magazines drivers arent the best, but its a good demonstration of how 2 cars run on the same day by the same driver perform.
Whats funny about the Road and Track article I read was that the Cobalt SS beat the RSX to 60 by a full half second, but then lost its lead at the top end of the track. I wonder if that was due to the way the Cobalt is geared, or driver error? I have yet to see one run in person at a track.
Like I said though, Honda isnt trying to outpower the Cobalt. Theyre undercutting it. They're offering a car which will ought to be as fast as the RSX Type S a good $2-3,000 less than the Supercharged SS. It also just a tad more expensive than the non supercharged SS. Say youre a young adult, looking for a cheap sporty 4 cylinder coupe, aesthetics aside, because they are totally objective, the Civic Si offers a good compromise in price, performance and options.
Whats funny about the Road and Track article I read was that the Cobalt SS beat the RSX to 60 by a full half second, but then lost its lead at the top end of the track. I wonder if that was due to the way the Cobalt is geared, or driver error? I have yet to see one run in person at a track.
Like I said though, Honda isnt trying to outpower the Cobalt. Theyre undercutting it. They're offering a car which will ought to be as fast as the RSX Type S a good $2-3,000 less than the Supercharged SS. It also just a tad more expensive than the non supercharged SS. Say youre a young adult, looking for a cheap sporty 4 cylinder coupe, aesthetics aside, because they are totally objective, the Civic Si offers a good compromise in price, performance and options.
