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Old May 20, 2004 | 03:38 PM
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The greatest saftey feature ever?

Your eyes, ears, hands, and feet.

Stability control and Traction control, and ABS, and airbags...Whatever. They're great, but if the dumbass behind the wheel is completely oblivious to the basic physics of driving ANY vehicle, let alone a RWD one, then no technological wonder on the planet will save them.

Despite what the government would care to tell you, vehicle safety starts with the driver, Not the car.

I agree, but like I said, how can *I* have any control over the idiot that cuts me off or T-Bones me?

That's why I want every safety feature I can get.

Your theory only holds water if you asume that every other driver in the world is flawless forever.
Old May 20, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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Anyone notice the 215/65(!!!!!)16 tires for the V6?
Whats that, a truck tire? What a joke---that thing will be howling around low speed corners and the side rolling over on itself.

Its supposed to a be a sports coupe...60's or 55's would be a far better choice.


Whatch out for that lower body performance stripe tape!!!! (on the V6) Still think the V6 model REALLY sucks--that 4.0 is junk. ANd a totally wrong application for this car.
Old May 20, 2004 | 05:50 PM
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How is the 4.0L junk? It seems stout in the ranger,and appears to be a pretty strong base engine for the mustang for under 20K.what other base engine would you have had them put in? I'm glad the 3.8 is gone,mine had decent performance,but sounded like junk and was a rattle trap. Chuck Gray,the mustang V6 engine manager says the 4.0L is a V6 mustang that promises to wow people who consider the car on looks alone. "I love driving it," states Gray. "I think some people aren't going to realize it's a V6,it's got a throaty,sporty sound."
Take that for what it's worth,it's his job to say that,but i think they put alot of effort into the performance and even the sound of this car. It's actually the most important mustang since it's the volume leader,i think it will surprise alot of people who dismissed past 6-bangers.
Old May 20, 2004 | 07:26 PM
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How is the 4.0L junk? It seems stout in the ranger,and appears to be a pretty strong base engine for the mustang for under 20K.what other base engine would you have had them put in? I'm glad the 3.8 is gone,mine had decent performance,but sounded like junk and was a rattle trap. Chuck Gray,the mustang V6 engine manager says the 4.0L is a V6 mustang that promises to wow people who consider the car on looks alone. "I love driving it," states Gray. "I think some people aren't going to realize it's a V6,it's got a throaty,sporty sound."
Take that for what it's worth,it's his job to say that,but i think they put alot of effort into the performance and even the sound of this car. It's actually the most important mustang since it's the volume leader,i think it will surprise alot of people who dismissed past 6-bangers.
I drove a Sport-Trac with the 4.0 and came to that conclusion.
It sounded terrible--like it was going to blow up when you stepped on it. Was very, very slow.

It is barely any more power then the 3.8L and they had to de-tune the engine from its normal usage in trucks.

The base V6 'Stang is a sporty coupe---I don't see how then engine can be a match with that.

But I might be renting a new Mustang when they come out--so then I will see for sure.

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Old May 20, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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I drove a Sport-Trac with the 4.0 and came to that conclusion.
It sounded terrible--like it was going to blow up when you stepped on it. Was very, very slow.

Little bit of a weight difference between a Sport-Trac and the new Mustang wouldn't you think
Old May 20, 2004 | 11:29 PM
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I am not totally discounting the weight difference--but a lazy engine a lazy engine--it will just run out of steam a little bit later in the Mustang.
Old May 20, 2004 | 11:50 PM
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4.0l seems to haul my dads ranger quite nicely, i think it will be a good match for the 6cyl stang.. they are not gonna put a 300hp v6 in the thing. I agree though its not the best sounded motor though.. at idle truck makes like no noise, and for about 1,000rpm it sounds sweet but above and below a certain point its weak
Old May 21, 2004 | 07:07 AM
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WHAT a conversation...

Here we are, several car enthusiasts, and the hot topic of discussion is about how "throaty" sounding the V6 is (or isn't).

Or how fast the base, entry-level, cheapest, most fundamental unit is going to be. double-

Here's MY spin on V6 issues...
What kind of MILEAGE can I expect from the V6?
What are the service intervals?
How easy is it to work on/maintain?
Will any of the aftermarket goodies developed for the Ranger and Explorers apply to this car, like exhausts, air filters, cool tubes, TB's, etc?

Cripes, 208hp ain't bad for any V6, and FWIW this 4.0 has been massaged quite a bit over the truck versions - cam, timing, induction, and exhaust just to name a few areas. So the block and crank are basically the same, big deal. We all know that cams and computer programs have more to do with engine performance than the block and crank.

Honestly, I'd rather my V6 car give me a quiet ride with smooth acceleration and trouble-free motoring. If I really want rumble and tire smoking capability, <smack> I shoulda had a V8.

PS - we ARE talking factory stock here. I know that V6'ers will mod just like V8 guys, but then all "exhaust notes" and acceleration feel goes out the window. My ref is to stock configs only.
Old May 21, 2004 | 09:51 AM
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Hey....conversations and debates are good. It encourages a sharing of thoughts and ideas. And if a person is really open minded they will think about what another person has to say.

I am just stating my opinions of what I know of the 4.0 V6 and its place in the Mustang. As I said, I have driven a 4.0 V6 equiped vehilce and did not like it.

But I am willing to change those opinions when I drive the Mustang. Maybe they changed it enough. I might like it....I might not.

I am sure the Camaros base V6 will be a far better engine
Old May 21, 2004 | 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by 305fan

I am sure the Camaros base V6 will be a far better engine
OK - if you are SURE, I'll bet 6 months salary on it!
But only if you are SURE...
Old May 21, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Gotta ask, how much does the Mach 1000 option cost? That's gotta be atleast a grand or so. Now why offer this option (slated for only 10% of mustangs) when an IRS system (already designed for Cobra, etc...) would have been much cheaper and probably optioned on more than just 10% of mustangs sold?

Stability control is a nice option (better than Mach 1000 audio), but one i personally don't car for, and i live in snow country. I get by with snow tires, ABS, and a few sand-bags in the trunk just fine.

There was some errors in the ordering guide. Anyone notice where it lists output as 300hp@5400rpms and tq as 320lb-ft@5400rpms? Lol, hits peak hp and tq at the same time. Hope they'll get around to correcting that. It's always funny finding errors in automotive books, mags, company websites, and brochures.

A little off-topic, but can we expect an SVT Cobra at next years detroit?
Old May 21, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by 305fan
Hey....conversations and debates are good. It encourages a sharing of thoughts and ideas. And if a person is really open minded they will think about what another person has to say.

I am just stating my opinions of what I know of the 4.0 V6 and its place in the Mustang. As I said, I have driven a 4.0 V6 equiped vehilce and did not like it.

But I am willing to change those opinions when I drive the Mustang. Maybe they changed it enough. I might like it....I might not.

I am sure the Camaros base V6 will be a far better engine
Originally posted by ProudPony
OK - if you are SURE, I'll bet 6 months salary on it!
But only if you are SURE...
If the Camaro gets the new 60° 3.9L V6 than it will be a better engine.(than the 4.0L) But by 2007 isn't Ford going to use a version of the Duratec? or did that plan get scrapped?
Old May 21, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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If the Camaro gets the new 60° 3.9L V6 than it will be a better engine.(than the 4.0L) But by 2007 isn't Ford going to use a version of the Duratec? or did that plan get scrapped?
They'll have to if they want to compete with a 240hp (240hp is a guess since that is what the G6's 3.9's will have) 3.9L Camaro. The 200hp 4.0 will not do. Maybe they'll retune it for more power, or they'll adapt the 3.5L duratec. Whatever they do, it needs more than just 200 horses.
Old May 21, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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Please god tell me I'm misunderstanding when I read about the 16" chrome wheels with 'spinners' coming standard on the V6 Premium????

Those aren't like the ghetto-fabulous spinners people put on their cars now days are they? ie: the wheels that keep spinning even after you stop.

Old May 21, 2004 | 04:53 PM
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No, they're faux "knockoff" spinners lik a Cobra or Jag E type. Not Daytons, yo. I think they're good looking wheels.



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