2005 GTO Info....LS2
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
Let's just hope it's not too late and the 04's (with associated problems) haven't given the GTO a bad image.
Let's just hope it's not too late and the 04's (with associated problems) haven't given the GTO a bad image.
Yeah, the GTO's got a real bad image for being such a POS car. All that quality and power... such a shame it comes from the #1 car manufacture in the world. I hope GM can change the image of the GTO before its too late. I cringe when I see them pull low 13 sec runs. I hope they totaly fix it by making it in the US, taking away from the quality aspect, throw on a few scoops, wings, and how about a few problesm like bad window motors, crappy plastic dashes, GM generic stereo, and add a dash of squeeks and rattles. Now thats a car GM can be proud of.
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As usual you misread my post and its meaning...
The problems I speak of are not performance related, but the dealer markups, the missing trunk space, the 3800lbs of metal and the lack of sales. And because of your attitude, let me remind you that your #1 manufacturer is only #1 in the number of cars produced, not quality.
The problems I speak of are not performance related, but the dealer markups, the missing trunk space, the 3800lbs of metal and the lack of sales. And because of your attitude, let me remind you that your #1 manufacturer is only #1 in the number of cars produced, not quality.
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
I hope they totaly fix it by making it in the US, taking away from the quality aspect, throw on a few scoops, wings, and how about a few problesm like bad window motors, crappy plastic dashes, GM generic stereo, and add a dash of squeeks and rattles. Now thats a car GM can be proud of.
I hope they totaly fix it by making it in the US, taking away from the quality aspect, throw on a few scoops, wings, and how about a few problesm like bad window motors, crappy plastic dashes, GM generic stereo, and add a dash of squeeks and rattles. Now thats a car GM can be proud of.
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
As usual you misread my post and its meaning...
The problems I speak of are not performance related, but the dealer markups, the missing trunk space, the 3800lbs of metal and the lack of sales. And because of your attitude, let me remind you that your #1 manufacturer is only #1 in the number of cars produced, not quality.
As usual you misread my post and its meaning...
The problems I speak of are not performance related, but the dealer markups, the missing trunk space, the 3800lbs of metal and the lack of sales. And because of your attitude, let me remind you that your #1 manufacturer is only #1 in the number of cars produced, not quality.
Dealers are a pain no matter what, but there are some dealers that sell them at or below MSRP. I know of 2 dealers by me that seel either at MSRP or lower.
And because of your attitude, I didnt mean #1 in quality, I ment in sales.
A bad image is something like Cops dont want to drive in CV's because you can get hit from behind and explode. Now thats a bad image.
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
Oh...so thats a "bad imagae" that it weights too much? Because it has 1 cubic foot less then the upcoming mustang? Lack of sales?
Dealers are a pain no matter what, but there are some dealers that sell them at or below MSRP. I know of 2 dealers by me that seel either at MSRP or lower.
And because of your attitude, I didnt mean #1 in quality, I ment in sales.
A bad image is something like Cops dont want to drive in CV's because you can get hit from behind and explode. Now thats a bad image.
Oh...so thats a "bad imagae" that it weights too much? Because it has 1 cubic foot less then the upcoming mustang? Lack of sales?
Dealers are a pain no matter what, but there are some dealers that sell them at or below MSRP. I know of 2 dealers by me that seel either at MSRP or lower.
And because of your attitude, I didnt mean #1 in quality, I ment in sales.
A bad image is something like Cops dont want to drive in CV's because you can get hit from behind and explode. Now thats a bad image.
#1 in sales just means you sell more, not that they're better which your were implying with your quality statement.
Exploding GMC trucks weren't much better. Ford has been proven correct in one case that the gas tank was NOT the cause of the fire when the police officer was hit from behind. Please review the details of it.
Just a little edit to add a link and a couple of excerpts:
GMC Truck Fires
"The side saddle fuel tank design installed in over 10 million trucks - all 1973-87 General Motors full-size pickups and cab-chassis trucks (pickups without beds) and some 1988-91 dual cab or RV chassis - is the worst auto crash fire defect in the history of the U.S. Department of Transportation."
"This is more than twenty times as many fatalities as in the infamous Ford Pinto. Despite a voluntary recall request from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in April 1993 (Attachment B) and an initial defect determination by Transportation Secretary Federico Pena in October 1994 (Attachment C), GM stubbornly refused to initiate a recall."
Now that's quality!
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Linky no worky... wonder if GM took it down already>
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS
Linky no worky... wonder if GM took it down already>
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
Linky no worky... wonder if GM took it down already>
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS
Linky no worky... wonder if GM took it down already>
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
Linky no worky... wonder if GM took it down already>
They do have to move quite a few 04 GTO's first so there is a need to keep this quiet. Send them all to Cali they seem to be hard to get here.... sales are good!
-the drifting car may have gotten some traditional "ricers" to look over and see this car is worth looking at.
I think the drifting thing has been good for the GTO
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Here's a cut & paste of the info at the GM website:
I'm going to cut & paste the whole thing & put it on it's own thread.
Overview
Model:
GTO
Body style / driveline:
4-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe
Construction:
unitized body frame, 1- and 2-sided galvanized steel
EPA vehicle class:
midsize coupe
Manufacturing location:
Holden Elizabeth Plant, Elizabeth, Australia
Key competitors:
Acura CL 3.2, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Chrysler Crossfire, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Ford Mustang GT Premium/Cobra, Dodge Charger
Engine
Type:
6.0L V-8 (LS2)
Displacement (cu in / cc):
364 / 5970
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.00 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
Block material:
aluminum
Cylinder head material:
aluminum
Valvetrain:
OHV, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel delivery:
sequential-port fuel injection
Compression ratio:
10.9:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
400 / 295 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
395 / 546 @ 4000
Recommended fuel:
92 octane
Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6500
Emissions controls:
catalytic converter/EGR
Estimated fuel economy
(mpg city / hwy / combined):
TBD
Transmissions
Tremec T56 Hydra-Matic 4L60-E
Type:
6-speed manual
4-speed electronic automatic FWD transverse
Gear ratios (:1):
First:
2.97
3.06
Second:
2.07
1.63
Third:
1.43
1.00
Fourth:
1.00
0.70
Fifth:
0.84
-
Sixth:
0.57
-
Reverse:
3.28
2.30
Final drive ratio:
3.46:1
3.46:1
Chassis/Suspension
Front:
independent MacPherson struts and progressive-rate springs
Rear:
independent semi-trailing control-link with gas pressure dampers
Steering type:
power-assisted variable ratio rack-and-pinion
Steering ratio:
variable ratio
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
3
Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
36.1 / 11
Brakes
Type:
4-wheel discs (ventilated front, solid rear), power assisted with 4-channel anti-lock braking system.
Rotor diameter:
N/A
Wheels/Tires
Wheel size and type:
17-inch alloy
Tires:
P225/50R17
Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
109.8 / 2789
Overall length (in / mm):
189.8 / 4821
Overall width (in / mm):
72.5 / 1841
Overall height (in / mm):
54.9 / 1397
Track (in / mm):
61.8 / 1569
Curb weight (lb / kg):
TBD
Weight distribution (% front / rear):
55 / 45
Interior
Seating capacity (front / rear):
2 / 2
Head room (in / mm)
Front seat:
37.3 / 947
Rear seat:
37.3 / 947
Leg room (in / mm):
Front seat:
42.2 / 1072
Rear seat:
37.1 / 942
Shoulder room (in / mm):
Front seat:
59.7 / 1515
Rear seat:
51.7 / 1312
Hip room (in / mm):
Front seat:
58.0 / 1472
Rear seat:
50.2 / 1275
Capacities
Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
1000 / 454
Fuel tank (gal / L):
18.5 / 70
Engine oil (qt / L):
5.3 / 6.0
Cooling system (qt / L):
auto: 11.5 / 10.9
manual: 11.8 / 11.2
Note: Information shown is current at time of publication. Please visit our GM Media web site at http://media.gm.com for future updates.
Model:
GTO
Body style / driveline:
4-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe
Construction:
unitized body frame, 1- and 2-sided galvanized steel
EPA vehicle class:
midsize coupe
Manufacturing location:
Holden Elizabeth Plant, Elizabeth, Australia
Key competitors:
Acura CL 3.2, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Chrysler Crossfire, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Ford Mustang GT Premium/Cobra, Dodge Charger
Engine
Type:
6.0L V-8 (LS2)
Displacement (cu in / cc):
364 / 5970
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.00 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
Block material:
aluminum
Cylinder head material:
aluminum
Valvetrain:
OHV, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel delivery:
sequential-port fuel injection
Compression ratio:
10.9:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
400 / 295 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
395 / 546 @ 4000
Recommended fuel:
92 octane
Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6500
Emissions controls:
catalytic converter/EGR
Estimated fuel economy
(mpg city / hwy / combined):
TBD
Transmissions
Tremec T56 Hydra-Matic 4L60-E
Type:
6-speed manual
4-speed electronic automatic FWD transverse
Gear ratios (:1):
First:
2.97
3.06
Second:
2.07
1.63
Third:
1.43
1.00
Fourth:
1.00
0.70
Fifth:
0.84
-
Sixth:
0.57
-
Reverse:
3.28
2.30
Final drive ratio:
3.46:1
3.46:1
Chassis/Suspension
Front:
independent MacPherson struts and progressive-rate springs
Rear:
independent semi-trailing control-link with gas pressure dampers
Steering type:
power-assisted variable ratio rack-and-pinion
Steering ratio:
variable ratio
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
3
Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
36.1 / 11
Brakes
Type:
4-wheel discs (ventilated front, solid rear), power assisted with 4-channel anti-lock braking system.
Rotor diameter:
N/A
Wheels/Tires
Wheel size and type:
17-inch alloy
Tires:
P225/50R17
Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
109.8 / 2789
Overall length (in / mm):
189.8 / 4821
Overall width (in / mm):
72.5 / 1841
Overall height (in / mm):
54.9 / 1397
Track (in / mm):
61.8 / 1569
Curb weight (lb / kg):
TBD
Weight distribution (% front / rear):
55 / 45
Interior
Seating capacity (front / rear):
2 / 2
Head room (in / mm)
Front seat:
37.3 / 947
Rear seat:
37.3 / 947
Leg room (in / mm):
Front seat:
42.2 / 1072
Rear seat:
37.1 / 942
Shoulder room (in / mm):
Front seat:
59.7 / 1515
Rear seat:
51.7 / 1312
Hip room (in / mm):
Front seat:
58.0 / 1472
Rear seat:
50.2 / 1275
Capacities
Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
1000 / 454
Fuel tank (gal / L):
18.5 / 70
Engine oil (qt / L):
5.3 / 6.0
Cooling system (qt / L):
auto: 11.5 / 10.9
manual: 11.8 / 11.2
Note: Information shown is current at time of publication. Please visit our GM Media web site at http://media.gm.com for future updates.
I'm going to cut & paste the whole thing & put it on it's own thread.
Last edited by guionM; Jun 8, 2004 at 02:46 PM.
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