2004 GTO looks like a Grand Prix???WTF???
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
If anything GTO should be more of a daring, breakaway design, because why does it need to appeal to a broad market??? They are only making 20,000 per year!
It's the perfect chance to do something different... not fade into the woodwork, lookswise anyway.
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If anything GTO should be more of a daring, breakaway design, because why does it need to appeal to a broad market??? They are only making 20,000 per year!
It's the perfect chance to do something different... not fade into the woodwork, lookswise anyway.
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Maybe everyone has images of the Judge in thier mind and thinks that that is how all GTO's were styled.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by formula79:
I just don't get it people bitch that Pontiac is to "boy racer" looking and all...yet they make a nice simple design and it isn't daring enough. It is just like Scott said a few weeks ago, whenever a new design comes out everyone will complain, but a year later they love it. I have spent the morning looking at pictures of teh early 60's GTO and I just don't see what is so daring.
Maybe everyone has images of the Judge in thier mind and thinks that that is how all GTO's were styled.
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I just don't get it people bitch that Pontiac is to "boy racer" looking and all...yet they make a nice simple design and it isn't daring enough. It is just like Scott said a few weeks ago, whenever a new design comes out everyone will complain, but a year later they love it. I have spent the morning looking at pictures of teh early 60's GTO and I just don't see what is so daring.
Maybe everyone has images of the Judge in thier mind and thinks that that is how all GTO's were styled.
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I actually like Pontiac's styling theme of the 90's... I liked the body ribbing, when done right.
I think the current generation Grand Am's ribbing looks great on the GT, but the skinny, tacked on ones look bad on the SE's.
I like the ribbing on the current Bonneville SSEi.
I always thought Pontiac had the overall best lineup of all Americn manufacturers though the 80's and 90's...
Of course, I am but one person.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
I actually like Pontiac's styling theme of the 90's... I liked the body ribbing, when done right.
I think the current generation Grand Am's ribbing looks great on the GT, but the skinny, tacked on ones look bad on the SE's.
I like the ribbing on the current Bonneville SSEi.
I always thought Pontiac had the overall best lineup of all Americn manufacturers though the 80's and 90's...
Of course, I am but one person.
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I actually like Pontiac's styling theme of the 90's... I liked the body ribbing, when done right.
I think the current generation Grand Am's ribbing looks great on the GT, but the skinny, tacked on ones look bad on the SE's.
I like the ribbing on the current Bonneville SSEi.
I always thought Pontiac had the overall best lineup of all Americn manufacturers though the 80's and 90's...
Of course, I am but one person.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by formula79:
I liked it too...but they got alot of bad press about it. I think the new Bonneville is goregeous. The Aztek and sunfire I think got enough bad press to end that run. Plus with Olds gone Pontiac has to become more mainstream....but I dont see why that roll can't be assumed by Chevy.
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I liked it too...but they got alot of bad press about it. I think the new Bonneville is goregeous. The Aztek and sunfire I think got enough bad press to end that run. Plus with Olds gone Pontiac has to become more mainstream....but I dont see why that roll can't be assumed by Chevy.
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I agree on all counts!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by formula79:
I think the new Bonneville is goregeous.
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I think the new Bonneville is goregeous.
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I think 2003 is the last year for it. Then if the '04 Grand prix loks anything like the G-Force, it'll be a hit and absorb some of those would-be Bonneville buyers.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ProudPony:
HuJass, I mean Darth Vader,
There is still some good in you... I can feel it.
Search your feelings father, you will find it to be true.
Switch back to the good side father. You can do it!!!
I will help you...
(We need a little humor in here somewhere!)
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HuJass, I mean Darth Vader,
There is still some good in you... I can feel it.
Search your feelings father, you will find it to be true.
Switch back to the good side father. You can do it!!!
I will help you...
(We need a little humor in here somewhere!)
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I am your father's brother's cousin's former roomate!
Actually, I would love to put a '69 GTO in my garage. Just can't afford one. It's too bad banks won't give you a loan for an old car. You either have to have the cash or get a home equity loan, and I just don't have enough equity in my house right now. And I don't want to buy one to restore. Too much work and too much money. I had a '73 GP for years. Loved that car. Put a TON of money into it fixing it up over the years only to find out that it was impossible to do the body because replacement panels were not available for that car. Ended up selling it for a whole lot less than I had in it. Too bad. So I know what it takes to restore a car. Just not my cup of tea.If you restore a car, more than likely you'll never get out of it what you put into it.
But I have always loved Pontiacs. Especially GPs. My favorite Pontiac. My cousin had a few GTOs over the years and that's what tipped me to Pontiacs since I was a small kid. He would pick me up and I would watch him work on his cars and read all his GTO books (not many back then) or cruise with him. Stuff like that really strikes an impression into a kid.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HuJass:
I would love to put a '69 GTO in my garage. Just can't afford one. It's too bad banks won't give you a loan for an old car. You either have to have the cash or get a home equity loan, and I just don't have enough equity in my house right now.</font>
I would love to put a '69 GTO in my garage. Just can't afford one. It's too bad banks won't give you a loan for an old car. You either have to have the cash or get a home equity loan, and I just don't have enough equity in my house right now.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
We all want the car to do good and agree it will be a success, but why not make it better?? </font>
We all want the car to do good and agree it will be a success, but why not make it better?? </font>
Exactly, why would they make GREAT and sell that when people are already going to buy GOOD for the same amount of money? It all comes down to the bottom dollar and not how happy the consumers are. As long as your spending enough money to keep me in my [place exotic car name here], then why would we go out of our way to make you happy? This is a business people.
I know it really sucks, but I know all of you have a corporate office for whatever your job is that you do. You all know that is how it is with your fields, that's how it is in the car manufacturing world too. I can't really think of any successful business that really caters to providing over and above what people will purchase for the same amount.
For the record, from the ONE picture we have seen (and why aren't there more???) the car is another 2 dr grand prix and I'm seriously disappointed. The engine and drive train are there. It looks decent, but it doesn't look like what we were hoping to see.
Another disappointment. It's better than nothing, but I think I would be pretty upset to have a GTO and go out to the parking lot and have someone say "hey, that's a nice grand prix".
Oh well... how much are those new cobras going for again?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrMilhouse:
For the record, from the ONE picture we have seen (and why aren't there more???) the car is another 2 dr grand prix and I'm seriously disappointed. The engine and drive train are there. It looks decent, but it doesn't look like what we were hoping to see.
Another disappointment. It's better than nothing, but I think I would be pretty upset to have a GTO and go out to the parking lot and have someone say "hey, that's a nice grand prix".
Oh well... how much are those new cobras going for again?
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For the record, from the ONE picture we have seen (and why aren't there more???) the car is another 2 dr grand prix and I'm seriously disappointed. The engine and drive train are there. It looks decent, but it doesn't look like what we were hoping to see.
Another disappointment. It's better than nothing, but I think I would be pretty upset to have a GTO and go out to the parking lot and have someone say "hey, that's a nice grand prix".
Oh well... how much are those new cobras going for again?
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I wouldn't confuse the car with a GP. They have similar grills but the rest of the car isn't similar at all. The Monaro/GTO has nice smooth lines and looks very clean and sexy.
The article posted showing a HSV GTO against an M5 and a Mercedes, the three driving the GTO didn't look out of place. Now put a Mustang in there, and it sticks out.
What no one seems to realize, this car is supposed to appeal to the market of people who were actually alive during the time of the GTO, and that market has matured into wanting a more serious car now.
This car isn't just "good enough," but in fact, great for the market it's aimed at. It's just "good enough" for the F-Body owner, because that's a different class of car buyer and a different class of car. This isn't an F-Body, this is a step towards making Pontiac the BMW competitor Lutz wants it to be. And judging by the comparo of the M5 to the HSV GTO, they might be on their way.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrMilhouse:
My guess is that this is what the corporate thinking is at GM:
Exactly, why would they make GREAT and sell that when people are already going to buy GOOD for the same amount of money? It all comes down to the bottom dollar and not how happy the consumers are. As long as your spending enough money to keep me in my [place exotic car name here], then why would we go out of our way to make you happy? This is a business people.
I know it really sucks, but I know all of you have a corporate office for whatever your job is that you do. You all know that is how it is with your fields, that's how it is in the car manufacturing world too. I can't really think of any successful business that really caters to providing over and above what people will purchase for the same amount.
For the record, from the ONE picture we have seen (and why aren't there more???) the car is another 2 dr grand prix and I'm seriously disappointed. The engine and drive train are there. It looks decent, but it doesn't look like what we were hoping to see.
Another disappointment. It's better than nothing, but I think I would be pretty upset to have a GTO and go out to the parking lot and have someone say "hey, that's a nice grand prix".
Oh well... how much are those new cobras going for again?
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My guess is that this is what the corporate thinking is at GM:
Exactly, why would they make GREAT and sell that when people are already going to buy GOOD for the same amount of money? It all comes down to the bottom dollar and not how happy the consumers are. As long as your spending enough money to keep me in my [place exotic car name here], then why would we go out of our way to make you happy? This is a business people.
I know it really sucks, but I know all of you have a corporate office for whatever your job is that you do. You all know that is how it is with your fields, that's how it is in the car manufacturing world too. I can't really think of any successful business that really caters to providing over and above what people will purchase for the same amount.
For the record, from the ONE picture we have seen (and why aren't there more???) the car is another 2 dr grand prix and I'm seriously disappointed. The engine and drive train are there. It looks decent, but it doesn't look like what we were hoping to see.
Another disappointment. It's better than nothing, but I think I would be pretty upset to have a GTO and go out to the parking lot and have someone say "hey, that's a nice grand prix".
Oh well... how much are those new cobras going for again?
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I agree, good post.
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The GTO and GP don't look the same from the side and stuff?? Click on the sig even if you have before and take a closer look.
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"The new GTO, the Grand Prix/Am of musclecars." http://oz.uc.edu/~padgetjr/compare.jpg
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HuJass:
GuionM,
Actually, the GTO became it's own carline in '66 or '67. Still based off the Tempest & Lemans but with it's own VIN body style designator. This lasted until '71 I think, when, in '72, the GTO became an option again on the Lemans. And in '74, it was an option on the Ventura.
I'd rather you here it from a friendly source than have it presented to you in a negative fashion from one of the 7 or 8 dissenters.</font>
GuionM,
Actually, the GTO became it's own carline in '66 or '67. Still based off the Tempest & Lemans but with it's own VIN body style designator. This lasted until '71 I think, when, in '72, the GTO became an option again on the Lemans. And in '74, it was an option on the Ventura.
I'd rather you here it from a friendly source than have it presented to you in a negative fashion from one of the 7 or 8 dissenters.</font>
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