200 hp Sentra
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I don't have the time or desire to argue with you. Check cobaltss.net, etc. and you'll see dynos that are at 200 or above for a stock car, to the wheels of course. I don't feel like going to all the hassle of finding it. And it's bad enough that nearly every member here validates the same thing. 
Since I'm not the one making the claim that the Cobalt SS's HP number's are "underrated"; I feel no obligation to prove the claim. Even were I so inclined, I'm not going to go to an enthusiast website to confirm the claims made on another enthusuast site.
Don't misunderstand, there is nothing at all wrong with enthusiast websites but a multitude of opinions and alleged facts published/posted on such sites aren't proof.
That said, I'll stick with what the manufacturer publishes as factual long before I'll accept the "evidence" offered on such a site.
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I'm not the one making the claim that the Cobalt SS's HP number's are "underrated" and therefore, feel no obligation to prove the claim. Even were I so inclined, I'm not going to go to a obviously biased enthusiast website for the Cobalt to confirm the claims made on another GM biased site.
Don't misunderstand, there is nothing at all wrong with enthusiast websites nor in their being biased toward their chosen vehicles; that's only to be expected...that's what they are for.
However, I'll stick with what the manufacturer publishes as factual long before I'll accept the "evidence" offered on such a site.
Don't misunderstand, there is nothing at all wrong with enthusiast websites nor in their being biased toward their chosen vehicles; that's only to be expected...that's what they are for.
However, I'll stick with what the manufacturer publishes as factual long before I'll accept the "evidence" offered on such a site.
As far as manufacturers underrating their engines, there is nothing against the rules/regulations about it. And GM has done it quite a bit in the past, GN-X, TTA, LT1 Fbodies, LS1 Fbodies.
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holy lord and christ.... all the guy is saying is that the 200 HP SER which will probably cost $18,000 is a pretty good bargain than the underrated 205 HP SS which you WONT get for under $22,000 out the door.....
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I don't think you can really say the Nissan is a better deal because it is cheaper I mean you are giving up over 25 hp before you add on either staged package, that is financable and dealer installed. Or you could get the 2.4 NA Cobalt SS for around the same price with 172 hp and likely more torque than the SE-R.
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I don't think you can really say the Nissan is a better deal because it is cheaper I mean you are giving up over 25 hp before you add on either staged package, that is financable and dealer installed. Or you could get the 2.4 NA Cobalt SS for around the same price with 172 hp and likely more torque than the SE-R.
What if I want a 6 speed?
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That aside, the only real argument I'm making is that the Sentra has appropriate HP for it's intended compitition/market/price-point and I think it does no matter what HP the Cobalt is actually putting out (underrated or not).
There isn't anything wrong with the Cobalt or Sentra not that I would ever be interrested in buying either one.
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Maybe I'm stupid, or maybe GM is stupid, but why would they deliberately underrate their HP?
I can understand that there might be a few outliers that do better, but sheesh, it's not like citing manufacturer numbers is an outlandish concept or anything.
I can understand that there might be a few outliers that do better, but sheesh, it's not like citing manufacturer numbers is an outlandish concept or anything.
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Well here is a thread where numerous LS1 owners put down 300+whp completely stock. Oh and if you don't feel like reading the thread title, they are all A4's (in case you didn't feel like "researching" it, A4's typically dyno less than M6's) http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=620907
Ok here is a thread (one of many ss/sc owners) that has a dyno graph of bone stock 216whp! http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9926
Oh and BTW who cares if the prelude was very expensive or don't make it anymore? It made that kind of hp almost 14 years ago.......
Ok here is a thread (one of many ss/sc owners) that has a dyno graph of bone stock 216whp! http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9926
Oh and BTW who cares if the prelude was very expensive or don't make it anymore? It made that kind of hp almost 14 years ago.......
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You might get the 177 hp SE-R (comparable to the 173 hp Cobalt SS n/a) for around $18k (which is what the MSRP is for the Cobalt SS too). But I'm betting the SE-R Spec-V, which is the 200 hp version, will cost closer to or over $20k. And the Cobalt SS S/C starts at $21540 or something like that.
The funny thing to me is that the new Sentra is almost a dead ringer for my Ion in terms of appearance (especially the one shown on that site, because it is basically the same color as my Ion 4 door). It looks more like my Ion than a Cobalt does, even though the Cobalt and Ion are both Delta platform cars.
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If you only want to believe manufactures #'s Cobalt SS Stage 1 is $500 extra and puts out 236HP the Stage 2 is $750 extra and ups the power to 241HP. Both are GM dealer installed upgrades.
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Whether one believes that GM purposely underrates its engines and regardless of what HP any one particular engine may be putting out in one owner’s vehicle, to give the same weight to those personal experiences (experiences which cannot be verified) to the figures a manufacturer is willing to publish and stand behind is ridiculous.
It wouldn’t be so bad were there some reciprocity involved but I have no doubt that if I took a new Sentra (or ten new Sentras) down to my local dyno shop and had tape of it (them) putting down 240 RWHP; the same people touting the dyno slips of Ions and Cobalts would be crying foul - I’m sure they would be saying that you couldn’t believe a dyno slip…that it might be doctored or that it wasn’t a stock engine, etc, etc, etc. and they would be pointing to Nissan’s website as the only acceptable source for the Sentra’s HP figures.
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You're the one that doesn't believe any of our statements, so you want proof. I give it too you, then you accuse all of us of doing the same thing that you are doing. (Oh those dyno slips are docotored) Whatever. Just go ahead and make another thread about some G@Y nissan crap we don't really care about......
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It wouldn’t be so bad were there some reciprocity involved but I have no doubt that if I took a new Sentra (or ten new Sentras) down to my local dyno shop and had tape of it (them) putting down 240 RWHP; the same people touting the dyno slips of Ions and Cobalts would be crying foul - I’m sure they would be saying that you couldn’t believe a dyno slip…that it might be doctored or that it wasn’t a stock engine, etc, etc, etc. and they would be pointing to Nissan’s website as the only acceptable source for the Sentra’s HP figures.