200 hp Sentra
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Really??? Just what "big players" are you talking about? Out of the Sentra’s target market, who is it that has 250HP+ (especially at near the Sentra’s price point)?
The CivicSi has 197HP. The ScionTc has 161HP. So tell me who is getting 250HP+ out of a normally aspirated, four cylinder engine of around 2L?
Even the Cobalt SS has only has 205HP (and that’s out of a 2.2L, supercharged engine).
Let's remember folks, not everybody can afford (or wants to afford) a $30K+ pavement ripping Camaro of $55K+ Corvette.
The CivicSi has 197HP. The ScionTc has 161HP. So tell me who is getting 250HP+ out of a normally aspirated, four cylinder engine of around 2L?
Even the Cobalt SS has only has 205HP (and that’s out of a 2.2L, supercharged engine).
Let's remember folks, not everybody can afford (or wants to afford) a $30K+ pavement ripping Camaro of $55K+ Corvette.
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I'm not sure what your point is?
Not to take anything away from the power it produced but the Prelude was a relatively "expensive" Honda (and of course, isn't made any longer)...in other words, it was not in the "entry-level/econo-box" segment which the Sentra, Civic, etc. are.
Not to take anything away from the power it produced but the Prelude was a relatively "expensive" Honda (and of course, isn't made any longer)...in other words, it was not in the "entry-level/econo-box" segment which the Sentra, Civic, etc. are.
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Originally Posted by Chevrolet.com/cobalt
2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged Engine
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Equipped to move, this 205-horsepower all-aluminum dual overhead cam, four-cylinder engine is built off the strengths of the original, naturally aspirated 2.2L ECOTEC engine.
The Eaton M62 supercharger spins at a low rpm, which improves durability and creates less noise while allowing for plenty of top-end power. Power delivery of the supercharged engine is instantaneous. Maximum boost of the supercharger is 12 psi.
Also included on this supercharged engine:
A direct-mount oil cooler
Oil jets for piston cooling
Heavy-duty pistons
Strong connecting rods
Forged-steel crankshaft
Large oil sump
Sodium-filled exhaust valves for improved durability
A high-strength aluminum cylinder head
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Equipped to move, this 205-horsepower all-aluminum dual overhead cam, four-cylinder engine is built off the strengths of the original, naturally aspirated 2.2L ECOTEC engine.
The Eaton M62 supercharger spins at a low rpm, which improves durability and creates less noise while allowing for plenty of top-end power. Power delivery of the supercharged engine is instantaneous. Maximum boost of the supercharger is 12 psi.
Also included on this supercharged engine:
A direct-mount oil cooler
Oil jets for piston cooling
Heavy-duty pistons
Strong connecting rods
Forged-steel crankshaft
Large oil sump
Sodium-filled exhaust valves for improved durability
A high-strength aluminum cylinder head
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The Cobalt SS is a bit more expensive than this Sentra. I went to look at one at the dealer the other day. By the time I added the options I wanted, the car was up to $25,000! These options were a sunroof, side airbags, XM and the performance package. Add all options and the car can sticker over $26,000! I couldnt justify that price for that car, and sense then its been an afterthought.
If this Sentra is priced where the last one was, under $20,000 as a base, it ought to be a pretty good value.
If this Sentra is priced where the last one was, under $20,000 as a base, it ought to be a pretty good value.
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- SRT-4 DCX cars will have 300HP
- GMs Turbo 2.0L cars are 260HP (2008 Cobalt and HHR)
The 200 to 260HP-300HP gap is a big one.
GM and Ford have a long history of underrating the HP on cars. Japanese have a long history of over rating HP. At least the new HP rating system will put an end to that.
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Right...right...I'm crazy...Damm that GM anyway...I guess I can't even trust GM's own website to tell me the truth.
Source: http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/
Source: http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/
See the above comments.
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Throw a turbocharger/supercharger on a SE-RV and you'll see some impressive HP numbers too but where is the logic of comparing an inexpensive four banger, allbeit a "sporty" model, to a supercharged/turbocharged car costing $25K+ as evidence that the SE-RV is somehow underpowered at only 200HP?
The SE-RV is appropriate for its class/price point...if you are going to start making comparisons like that then you might as well throw in the $40K WRX or the fifth generation Z28.
The SE-RV is appropriate for its class/price point...if you are going to start making comparisons like that then you might as well throw in the $40K WRX or the fifth generation Z28.
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If you can't show some actual evidence that can be verified and proven accurate then it's no more than opinion and conjecture.
Until such time as it is proven then what a manufacturer is willing to publish as its HP ratings is the only worthwhile way to compare one vehicle to another; otherwise anyone can "claim" any HP/Tq rating they want to and the whole exercise becomes meaningless.
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- SRT-4 DCX cars will have 300HP
- GMs Turbo 2.0L cars are 260HP (2008 Cobalt and HHR)
The 200 to 260HP-300HP gap is a big one.
GM and Ford have a long history of underrating the HP on cars. Japanese have a long history of over rating HP. At least the new HP rating system will put an end to that.
- SRT-4 DCX cars will have 300HP
- GMs Turbo 2.0L cars are 260HP (2008 Cobalt and HHR)
The 200 to 260HP-300HP gap is a big one.
GM and Ford have a long history of underrating the HP on cars. Japanese have a long history of over rating HP. At least the new HP rating system will put an end to that.
Look...certain manufacturers may underrate their HP and some may overrate but bottom line is that it makes no sense at all to compare "assumed" numbers...if we can't agree to use the numbers the manufacturers publish then there really is no point in discussing the numbers at all.
If we are going to assume the Cobalt SS puts out more then 205 then I'll just assume the SE-RV puts out 280.
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Before this erupts into an all out debate, I think it should be noted that the only people out there who know the Cobalt SS makes more than 205hp are those in the car community who either know someone who owns one and has had it dynoed, or those who extensively browse vehicle forums. If you're from one of those 2 categories, youre going to look at the Chevy website or product catalog and assume the Cobalt makes the 205hp that Chevy states it does.
Therefore, Chevy is at a disadvatnage when your average consumer cross shopps a Cobalt SS, Nissan Sentra and a Civic SI. Perhaps GM should rate their sports cars more competively...
Therefore, Chevy is at a disadvatnage when your average consumer cross shopps a Cobalt SS, Nissan Sentra and a Civic SI. Perhaps GM should rate their sports cars more competively...
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Prove it.
If you can't show some actual evidence that can be verified and proven accurate then it's no more than opinion and conjecture.
Until such time as it is proven then what a manufacturer is willing to publish as its HP ratings is the only worthwhile way to compare one vehicle to another; otherwise anyone can "claim" any HP/Tq rating they want to and the whole exercise becomes meaningless.
If you can't show some actual evidence that can be verified and proven accurate then it's no more than opinion and conjecture.
Until such time as it is proven then what a manufacturer is willing to publish as its HP ratings is the only worthwhile way to compare one vehicle to another; otherwise anyone can "claim" any HP/Tq rating they want to and the whole exercise becomes meaningless.
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2007 Cobalt SS Supercharged starts at $21540. Not fair to load it with every available option (there aren't too many, iirc) and make it approach $25k, then compare it to the base price of an SE-R Spec V. There are two Nissans shown in this thread, the normal SE-R with 177 hp, and the 200 hp SE-R Spec V.
The N/A Cobalt SS starts at $18850 with 173 hp, with the supercharged coupe coming in at $21540, as I mentioned. A Sentra 2.0 SL (basic equivalent to an LTZ Cobalt, I'm guessing - the loaded "normal" model) starts at $18400. I'm betting an SE-R will be similar, and a Spec-V will probably be very similar to the supercharged Cobalt in price.
Just wanted to get some actual numbers in here, because I've seen some pretty wild ones thrown around so far...
The N/A Cobalt SS starts at $18850 with 173 hp, with the supercharged coupe coming in at $21540, as I mentioned. A Sentra 2.0 SL (basic equivalent to an LTZ Cobalt, I'm guessing - the loaded "normal" model) starts at $18400. I'm betting an SE-R will be similar, and a Spec-V will probably be very similar to the supercharged Cobalt in price.
Just wanted to get some actual numbers in here, because I've seen some pretty wild ones thrown around so far...
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I don't have the time or desire to argue with you. Check cobaltss.net, etc. and you'll see dynos that are at 200 or above for a stock car, to the wheels of course. I don't feel like going to all the hassle of finding it. And it's bad enough that nearly every member here validates the same thing.
. The s/c ecotech is also much easier to improve on. A stage 1 kit and a 2.8" pulley will get you around 250 trouble free hp at the wheels. Here's a link to some saturn redline dynos
http://www.redlineforums.com/forums/...arts-only.html