http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/auto...eer-away-from/

 

I am a little surprised on the G6 and Vue... They have sister cars that share 85-90% of the same parts/design/layout that get great reviews.

But oh well, I have always taken magazine "reviews" with a grain of salt. Example, looked up the G6 on Kbb, and the toyota Camry. (Which they said rated these cars as poor)

G6 customer reviewed. 4 out of 5 stars
Camry customer reviewed 4.4 out of 5 stars (I say we can tak .1-.2 stars way just because of the Toyota cool-aid thats been going around)

Is it outclassed and had a ****ty resale that only got worse with the fall of pontiac? Yes. But a car to avoid? I dunno about that. I don't understand why people hate crappy resale so much. Doesn't really matter if the price you buy it at reflects it..

 

just face the facts, u bought a crappy car man

 

Why the Grand Marquis? These cars are some of the most reliable things on the market. They're not terrible on gas on highway, compared to SUV's at least and you can fit a whole family comfortably.

 

There are 2 best ways to judge a car's real value.

1. Selling price related to sticker.

2. Resale value.

What a car shares underneath is completely irrelevent. If that were the case, a G6 would be as good as an Opel Insignia. It's not even close.

I agree with their assesments because they give very good reasons, where if you think about it from the outside, are pretty much iron solid.

Most of their choices are at the end of thier life, or thier division is being killed off, or they were misguided in development, or they were or degenerated into nothing more than simple rental and fleet specials.

PT Cruiser has been around for 10 years with virtually no changes. The quality and interior materials were exceptional by 1999 standards (when it 1st came out). Today, levels of quality are much higher. PT is still stuck in the early decade both in style and in materials.

Grand Marquis and Town Cars have limited appeal and has also been around a decade without a restyling. At least Ford kept quality and materials up to date, and in some instances even moved it ahead of the norm today. But it still looks old.

G6 was the poster child of what went wrong and was wrong at Pontiac. Fleet sales, materials, lack of any real pulse quickening models until the very end (despite original plans to make G6 a great lineup)......Plus, Pontiac is dead.

Both the Vue and the 9-7x are from soon to be discontinued divisions. Poison to people about to make the biggest purchase they will ever make next to a home. Plus, the same vehicles can be had for less at Chevrolet (Equinox and Trailblazer) at less money.... plus Chevrolet isn't going anywhere.

The STS was meant to cross the gap between the CTS and the DTS. It didn't work. The DTS went to the "ride and comfort over handling and RWD" folks, while the CTS went to the "handling & RWD over ride and comfort" folks. Those in the middle simply kept buying Mercedes, Lexus, and Infinities.

Durango was "What were they thinking?" ugly. It was priced at "What were they thinking? prices. And sold accordingly. It got by as long as anything with a BOF construction and AWD sold in enough numbers to make even the lowest selling ones profitable. But when sales dropped, Durango was toast.

The Spectra and Azera aren't exactly going to earn it's owners any money in the Auto Trader, even next to their neighbor's Focus or Cobalt. There's a reason for that. People simply aren't buying them.

 

I like the idea of a Saab 9-7x going in the tank pricewise. They made it with the LS2 and 20" TBSS wheels. That would be a cheap, fun daily driver, if you could afford the 13 mpg.

-Geoff

 

Plus it actually looked good , who cares if it was Saab rebadged . TBSS excluded , the TB , Rainer and Envoy were fugly .

 

I just looked on Autotrader and the listing prices were still pretty high for the Aeros. Maybe in a few years when the brand is cancelled you will be able to get them much cheaper. It looks like you can get one with a 5.3 for $10,000 or so, though.

-Geoff

 

Saab, Pontiac, and Saturn are all dead brands. No surprises there. Many of those other cars are at the end of their life cycles or are over priced to begin with. Nothing wrong with buying one of them if you got a good price or plan on keeping it for a long time.

 

The '08 re-designed nose for the Durango looked A LOT better than the '04-'07 nose. Many people forget, but back in '04 the Durango was rated #1 by C&D over the Tahoe, Sequoia and something else...

I have one as a demo right now, and to be honest I really like it. Plenty of goodies, plenty of power with the Hemi. Its definitely not for everyone, but big BOF SUVs aren't SUPPOSED to be for everyone. Soccer moms finally got that idea. If my wife would let me, I already would've traded the GP for a Hemi Aspen. WAY better interior than the Durango (the one true issue with the Durango...the interior plastics are just awful), and it can tow 9,000 lbs...the same as my 3.73 axle 2500 Ram!

If she'd let me, I'd reduce to one car payment and get rid of the Ram and the GP...we need something that can tow 6,000 lbs on a regular basis. Too bad she loves her GP so much...then again, I do too

 

We bought an '04 Durango. Why? Because we needed three rows and it's interior was FAR better than the horrid ones in the '04 Tahoe or TB XT, it drove nicer, handled better, had a better ride and the Hemi is simply a glorious motor. We're considering an Acadia now as a replacement. If we get it, that Hemi will be missed.

 

We got a steal on our G6. Basically 50% of sticker with less than 10,000 miles. Wife wanted a convertible and for the price it was an excellent option. I'll be the first to admit that it feels like a few generations old, but considering how cheap they are I figure they are worth a look.

 

Never claimed it was a great car, but its not a crappy car. 224 hp, just got 30.6 mpg driving daytona to Tampa, seats 4 comfortable, I think looks are decent, kind of boring, but the cars in its class are pretty boring overall.

I problaby could not have even gotten a corrolla as loaded as my car for the price I paid for it. I like how quickly magazines overlook $5-10k price differences when comparing cars. My friend just got a 2010 Fusion, pretty sweet. Paid $8k more for it then I paid for my car, and I have a bigger engine, and some options she doesn't have(then again she has options I don't have)



Exactly... The car is definitely not the new hot ****. You aren't goinng to be the headturner on the block. But car to avoid? Doesn't appear to have any more issues then an average car. It came out in 2005, so its not as bad as the PT cruiser or Mercury. Do I need to scan in Consumer reports "recommended buy"


There is a big difference between, ok average car, nothing spectacular, nothing horrid. And calling a car, a car to avoid.

 

Pretty much sums up the reasons why my mom bought hers in 2004. She still has it and loves it and I like to drive it too. The Hemi is AWESOME!

 

I guess im not the only one silently scouting Aeros