i will wait and see what happens in the hands of owners, rather than tuning shops... who knows what they did to it ,

 

Traction control is there simply for the driver to keep traction. Torque Management is there to limit the abuse on the drivetrain be limiting power until the vehicle gets up to speed a little. This saves on warranty costs.

Yes, it sucks.

 

Actually, according to JDM (the tuner), you will be able to read all about it in an upcoming Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords issue. This was all done in conjunction with them.

Thus, I would say that it is pretty legit.

 

I don't understand, to me the meaning of stock is the exact condition of the car as it rolled of the assembly line, untouched in anyway. What is described in this post is not a stock '05, unless I am misunderstanding something.

 

Cool. I'll be looking for it next time I'm at Foodmaxx

 

Well lets see, according to JDM, who was working in conjunction with Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine, the 13.4 time was on a bone stock car. This means the way it came from the factory. The 12.5 time is after the mods of underdrive pulleys, SCT tune, 4.30 gears, catback exhaust, and ET streets.

Thus, I guess I don't understand what it is you are talking about.

Please clarify.

 

FYI...the car has gone quicker than 12.5, but JDM isn't talking because "MM&FF would be pissed".
S.

 

Actually on one of the sites in their posts they said it went 12.45

 

I think what 30thZ28 is getting at is that the "stock" run was after a reflash for 93 octane. To me, that doesn't qualify as bone stock. I'd be interested in seeing a real bone stock run, i.e. no tune, no different tires, the stock paper filter, etc.

You'd be surprised how many people with headers, catback, and a lid still consider themselves stock. "I'm stock except for..."

 

Wrong.
I spoke to Anthony at JDM for about 20 minutes.
Bone stock, no flashed PCM, stock tires, untouched...the car went 13.4. Bone stock...13.4.
With the PCM flashed for 93-octane, the car went "low-13's". He didn't specify exactly what "low-13's" was, and I didn't ask.
I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from...nobody ever said it ran 13.4 after the PCM was flashed.

With gears, tires, catback and pullies...it went 12.5 (12.45) at 108mph. I was told the car went quicker later, but they didn't want to divulge exactly how fast it went.

I'm very interested in these cars. I've looked at a few, and I may stongly consider getting one after the first of the year for the wife.
S.

 

What do they have to gain? If they did stuff to make the stock/baseline numbers seems faster (say 13.2 instead of 13.6), then wouldn't that make their mods and performance gains seem less effective when the modified version runs a 12.5? It'd make the before and after numbers less dramatic.

An aftermarket tuner has little to gain from making the stock car seem faster than it really is. If they're gonna fudge any numbers, it would be the modified numbers to make gains seem more dramatic/impressive.

 

The only thing ive seen reported from the "real world" is low 14's and squeeking into a few 13.9's from bone stock cars,

SOTP feel from all forum members that have tested it(not bias) , seems to fall right in between the stock GT and mach1.

so not a bad effort all in all.

 

Stick your head in the sand, pretend it won't run mid-13's out of the box and then act surprised when it does.
The major mags have already gotten better numbers out of it than they did with the GTO a year ago...and GTO's have recently hit 13.2-13.3's (much to my surprise). There are a handful of cars out there in the mid-13's already, and it seems only a few people have actually seen one on the road.
When the track nuts get their hands on them, the times will drop.
SOTP don't mean sh*t. Timeslips do.
S.

 

Snorman, I went to Etown looking to see a little 05 Mustang action, but no luck...when did JDM go?

 

It was a track rental on Monday, I believe. It was for a MM&FF feature on modding the '05, so they're not divulging all of the results.
I too haven't seen any at the track. In fact, I haven't even seen one on the street yet, only saw a 6-cylinder at Downs and three GT's at Oasis. A local Cobra owner (HotRodHarry from the modular boards) saw one at E-town also running 13.4's all day a few weeks ago.
S.