I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet....

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...10130&tstart=0

 

Yeah... you know it's just not that impressive.

For a million dollar car.
Shoot there's Cobra's running that fast.

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there's also a few kenne bell monaro/GTO's running that fast, but i think that isn't the point, when you look at the whole package.

not saying that other supercars arent better value though, there are alot of choices

 

I guess it'd be like comparing apples to oranges , but in a day when you have 9 and 10 second F-bodies , vettes and mustangs roaming around with driveablity not far from stock and sometimes even emmisions legal ....a 12 cyl. with 4 turbos in a lightweight car like that is not too impressive . ::shrugs::

 

unbelievable ...

i mean critisize the car compared to others in their category, fair enough.. but i can't believe the tenacity of you guys to even mention cobra and f-body, just because in a highly modified state they can pull similar times in a straight line .. ughh..

 

I thought it was rather uninspiring considering it came off the heals of the Sixteen which was making 150 more hp na, albeit with 4 more cylinders.

 

you all do realize the gears are set for a track(cornering etc.), not a straight line.

 

That car is incredible but there is no way it'll handle like this mid engine super car.

I think it would be interesting if they actually built it, a working prototype is a good start though.

 

IT's got four turbos. Just turn them up

 

True. Look at the Ferrari 360. A bolt-on ls1 will walk one. Doesn't mean the Ferrari 360 isn't impressive.

 

if only it wasn't named like a WWII **** fighter plane...

 

ahahaha, thats what you get when you have Germans pulling the strings!
Now, who wins in this "air to air" battle? ME412 or Mustang?

 

:blah: Car was ok looking (although cooler in person than in pictures, for sure, messed up mainly by the stupid taillights). But to me, it's one of those "who cares" cars. Cool for middle school/ high school kids to drool over (like I did with F40, Diablo, Countach, ZR1, McLaren F1, Bugatti EB110, etc. etc.), but that's about it... Does get some publicity for DCX, though. 1 million bucks? Sort of like that upcoming VW/Bugatti with the 980 hp or whatever....

 

I simply can't believe that there's a logical rational & thinking person on the entire planet that isn't impresed by a car that runs from 0-60 in under 3 seconds! That just simply blows my mind!

Performance cars perhaps have simply gotten too powerful. People are loosing ALL perspective of reality, and are really becoming quite simply amazingly jaded regarding what is quick & impressive.

Last week I was flabberghasted that someone actually called the Lincoln LS slow simply because it isn't as quick as the totally overpowered CTSv. This despite the fact the LS runs 0-60 in the low 6 second range... roughly as quick as most all of the quickest mid-size muscle cars of the 60s when attached to an automatic transmission.

NOW..... if that isn't enough, a car that reaches 60 miles per hour about as fast as you can say it in normal conversation ISN'T impressive?! Even though it qulifies it as the quickest production car on the planet, simply because if you have enough money, you can go build yourself a purpose built F-body with an engine that might last a few months?!

I really hate to say this, but some of you need to re-establish your grip on reality. We are talking about a production car whose buyers are looking for the quickest and rarest thing on the planet with a warranty. We are living in a time some of the quickest cars ever made are available. Anything that runs under 7 seconds is pretty quick. Anything under 6 seconds is very quick. Anything under 5 seconds is by every single definition is extremely quick. We are talking production road cars with 100,000 mile warranties meeting modern emission & safety, not something you screwed together in your back yard that may last a dozen races without exploding.

I can't wait to see what's being said next week: "Heck, 0-60 in 1.2 seconds aint fast. I can strap a Saturn rocket on the roof of my 88 IROC, and easily beat that time, and still have change left over"

Good grief!

 

guionM, I agree when it comes to normal cars that people have become too jaded (350 hp in the GTO is nothing, 400 is like a minimum for some people - that is 911 Turbo power, people!!).

However, in the case of a car that costs 1 million bucks, well, it is easier to not be blown away. Because, well, it costs a million bucks, and it damn well better go faster than the 80k Viper that does 0-60 in 3.9 or so. Or the $500k McLaren F1 that did it in the low 3s. See what I mean? I mean, it would blow a person away to accelerate that quickly if they were used to a normal car. However, it is rather common (compared to the number of people who will by an ME412) for guys on this board, and thousands who aren't on this board, to have 10 second cars that would run right with this 412 in a straight line. So the technological feat of accelerating that quickly is impressive, it isn't really mind blowing or rare. It's just rare as a "production" car, which the 412 doesn't really qualify as, since it costs the aforementioned million bucks (if produced at all). Let us recall that a Top Fueler goes to 60 mph in around a second, and well over 200 mph before the nearly 900 hp 412 gets to 60. It's all a matter of perspective. Speed costs money; how fast do ya wanna go?...

So is the car impressive? Absolutely! Does our lackk of drooling excitement mean we need to readjust ourselves? Not when the car costs a million bucks, imo.

Now when people start saying that 400 hp is like some minimum requirement, or that the C6 with 400 hp and "only" a 12.7 @ 113 showing by the magazines (for 45 grand MSRP) is not impressive, then yeah, that's a little jaded.

4.3 to 60 mph, 12.7 @ 113 in the quarter, 186 mph top speed (!), all for 1/2 to 2/3 of what ZR1s were going for 15 years ago is pretty damn impressive, in my book. And more impressive than a car with over twice the power going quite a bit faster but for over 20 times the price...

We aren't all that jaded, but you certainly have a point when it comes to many of todays normal performance cars...

EDIT: All that being said, if I encountered one on the street, you can bet my gf would probably have to wipe my chin, and I'd have to explain my excitement by saying "that car could hit 120 mph in about the time your Saturn will hit sixty!". But then she'd ask what it costs, and she'd declare it ridiculous to pay that much for a car, to which I'd have little argument...