Someone here actully still believes a new Camaro will be under 30 K?

 

Yes.

 

I'm not surprised at the pricing. Everyone (including DaimlerCX) knows the liabilities of the new Charger, some of which have already been mentioned here (poor MPG, etc), and of course there are the disappointing looks of the car. Ugh. That came-from-a-truck grille... flat, soulfree sides, kangaroo hip quarters... yep I'd say the price is about right

 

Yeah, it sucks so bad they have nopt even sold one yet.....................

 

Obviously the Charger is selling well. Edmunds has them selling pretty much at sticker. But again, the car is bargain priced in all its trim levels. The fact remains, its styling, even the basic fact it came with four doors, is very controversial. Imagine what they could have done with the price if it was well styled. Instead, we got an utterly forgettable car with a powerful engine. NO thanks.

 

Okaaay? I don't think big n' heavy (reference the concerns about the 5th Gen's size) and gas-guzzling (at $3/gallon) and lack of a stick for the enthusiast are illegitimate complaints. And with all that said, I still think it's a very nice ride. I'm just trying to picture, say, a Chevelle from Chevrolet with 4 doors and room for 5, weighing a smidge under 4,000 pounds, with the LS2 and T56 combination....at a "Chevy price"....yeah I know it's vaporware and Chrysler actually has the goods but I can't help but think that someone, somewhere can execute the concept even better....

 

I was just messing with ya. Every car on the road today could have been done better. As a matter of fact, every product ever made could be made better. That is unless you actually did the design work and know why things are the way they are. Then it seems diffrent.

 

Actually, it's not vaporware. But forget the Chevelle name.

 

That is a damn good price. GM, take note.

 

killer price, killer HP output.

with that said, my 2004 ram that decided to blow a motor then a trans while pulling Sea-Doo's (Seperate occasions) has now put an offical "will not ever buy" stamp on all DCX automobiles for me this life time.

 

You are seriously, with a straight face, suggesting a Cadillac should be priced like a Dodge? Now I know you've lost all sense of reality.

 

If you're referring to the Trailblazer SS, then yeah, it fits all my criteria except the availability of the manual. If you're referring to something else Chevy has in the pipeline, then I'm excited....but if it ain't yet for sale, especially if we don't know about it, it's still vaporware. At least until perhaps NAIAS in January?

 

Do I believe that some model of Camaro (probably a V6!) will be under $30k?

Sure.

Do I believe that GM can offer a Camaro with an IRS and a performance flagship drivetrain (a real Z28) for under $30K?

No way!

The best we can hope for is a late, overpriced and mediocre Mustang-clone.

 

Yep I'd say the price is about right, too. For $36K, the Charger SRT-8 is tremendous value. Personally, I'd prefer the Chrysler 300C SRT-8 for $4K more - if only for the looks and upgraded Audi-quality interior trim - but you can't get past the value of the Charger SRT-8.

The big question for GM fans is whether a $52K CTS-V offers the same value as a $36K Charger SRT-8? Not a chance. The Cadillac had too many drivetrains bugs, too little space and too little refinement. How does a $75K Cadillac STS-V compare to a $42k Chrysler 300C SRT-8? Not very well. Even leaving aside the issue of performance, the Chrysler is far more spacious and comfortable that the cramped STS.

 

You're right, the performance flagship Camaro will not start under $30,000....consider the current Mustang GT is in no way to be considered Mustang's "performance flagship" either...there will absolutely be a well-performing V8 Camaro priced right in line with the Mustang GT, and I expect better performance than the Stang.

We need to start calling you "Mr. Optimism".