Who would be interested in a different headlight assembly for 93-97 Camaro's?
 

How many of you out there would be interested in a new headlamp setup for your 93-97 Camaro? I would ideally like to see something similar in shape of the LS1 style headlamps. Something definatly with the Halo, round, white, bright lamps in them as well. At least 2 bulbs in each fixture, but I wouldn't mind seeing even 3.

I do not have these headlamps, I am mearly checking to see who out there besides myself would be interested, and then hopefully someone with means to make this happen will also see this so it can be done. Honda Hunter had said earlier he might have the means to see it through production.

Ideally I would like to see the enclosed lamp fit with the stock front bumper, and with the stock hood. Something molded to be a direct fit. Who else out there is interested?

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I'd be interested...depending of course on what finished product looks like

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I don't want them to have halos. I don't want them to be a "trend," I want them to be a timeless design that updates the car from the 80's style lights they have to some current style.

Something like those used on the Acura TL (minus the integrated blinker)
http://www.cartype.com/images/page/a..._headlight.jpg

Just one smooth piece containing both the highbeams and lowbeams would be great. :bow:

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Brangeta, excellent input!

These are the kind of details we need to come up with to get to someone who can make this happen. There have been a few on here to mention that they could make these but they needed exact details, and most importantly a needed market for them. I personally believe that if they are made, they will make the manufacturer one rich person. All I am hoping for is like Colin91Z mentioned, as a good product.

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I don't know if Eckler's Camaro makes their own parts, but you might try asking/suggesting it to them. I "believe" they are the ones that came up with the LED taillights for '67-'69 Camaros.

You'd think that with all the Euro taillamps floating around for our cars, some company would have made us a set of headlamps by now huh?

Maybe you could contact whatever company produces those.

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My capability for contacting anyone past a hand full of websites for a while will be limited. I am currently deployed in the Middle East, and my phone/internet access is pretty limited.:(

I am hoping someone who knows someone who can make this happen will do the work here. Again, I have came across a few that have said they could get it going, but I haven't heard from them in a while. Honda Hunter said he could do it, but he needed specific details on what we want, and more importantly a big enough amount of people who would be interested.

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Once we finalize a plan, I can talk to Callaway about it. But that's it. :-\

That's the only company I have a relationship with, and they don't create their own headlights. They DO however have a company that worked for them to create their headlights in the past for the C12 and such though. Don't know the name of it, but it'd be better for me to talk to Callaway anyway.

Someone should contact GMMG perhaps.

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count me in; I'd love a new style headlamp.

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i am in!!!

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I'd have to see what it looks like first. If it's like LS1 headlights, im not sure i would like it. But I kind of like the way LT1 front ends look, it looks mean. I dont really like how bad the lighting is but i have silverstars or whatever they are called, so its not too bad. I might upgrade to HID's later.

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Im very in for it. I still cant belive that it has not been done yet. I have tried to find a car that is close enouigh to be a doner but to no avail.

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Brangeta, could you contact Callaway and ask him what he thinks about all of this? Most important to mention will be the design of what we want. I think that most of us can agree that we want something that can be fairly simply mounted in the existing 93-97 Camaro front bumper, and come up to and seal with the existing hood. They each need to be enclosed, and have at least two (if not 3) Hella 90mm high and low beams.

Here is a link to pictures of what the Hella's will look like in the car. Hella's themselves IMO actually appear worse in the car than the stock ones. However put them in an inclosed headlamp assembly, and we have a winner!
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/commun...upid=42185&ck=
http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/u/mulgeary/Hella90/index.htm
http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/90mm.htm

Also, here are a few pics of other custom made headlight lamps that are of the same ideas as I was thinking.

http://www.rotaryextreme.com/product/scoot/recar-1.jpg
http://www.rotaryextreme.com/product...t/P5280009.jpg
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/owne...m/DSCN0004.JPG

Also, something similar to a fourth Gen Toyota Supra stock headlamp would also look nice.

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That's the key. A plan and and some drawn pics of what everyone can agree on. If enough of us try to make this happen it will. I'm not going to give up on this. This was the only thing I didnt like on our style Camaros. Anybody and everyone with ideas, pics, imput, etc come in and post.

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Honda Hunter, once we get some general drawings, or enough photo's to get an idea, what do we need to do next? I am guessing we need to present it to someone who can make this happen. Do you know who? Perhaps if someone out there has some time on their hands with photo shop they can create some pics of their design and how it will look in the car, this may further help the designer make these.

Here are a few more links of how I think the headlamp should resemble.

http://www.maxi-tuning.ru/post/10052/car_001_2.jpg
http://www.ricerocketuk.co.uk/images/supra01d.jpg

And especially this one,
http://www.allfastcars.com/koenigseggccrfront.shtml

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Callaway bases all of their designs off drawings. If someone could draw up some nice technical drawings by hand, I could email them to Reeves Callaway and see what he thinks.

I think the drawings would need to have some measurements/dimensions on them and show how the lamps would attach to the stock brackets. I'm assuming everyone would agree that it would be best to use the stock brackets right?

Personally, I do not want to have to mount them in a more complex manner.

Also, we need to decide what the lamps would look like. Would they fit underneath the hood like the stock lamps? Or would they fill the entire "racoon-eye" ledge of the headlight buckets (similar to the Toyota Supra pics Call911 posted)?

I personally want them to fit underneath the hood. I want to see something simple and elegant like the Acura headlight I posted above. No texture on the outside of the headlight, just smooth and flat.

I don't want anything aftermarket looking. So I have to give a big thumbs down to the Koenniggsegg style headlights or anything else with halos or other stuff in them.

I can understand how someone might want them to improve the aerodynamics of the car by having them fill the entire headlight space and fit flush with the front end and hood, but my vote goes for keeping the car looking stock, but updated.

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Brangeta, thanks again for all your help on this as well as your ideas. It's people like you that will help most when it comes to getting this done.

You bring up an excellent point to about the overall design. Personally I feel that if we just put some Hella 90mm lights with a covor on them on the stock bracketry that it will look to similar to what we already have and feel a need to change, with the slight difference being the round bulbs instead of the rectangular ones we currently have with a cover over them. I really feel that the "new" looking headlights should be something more complex than this, and make use of the entire "racoon-eye" with the headlamp cover reaching from the front of the racoon eye of the fron bumper to the hood, in a similar way as a darkout would, only with a smoother angle.

This design will not be easy, and will probably require at least some fabrication to be done to each car to get the headlight wiring to fit all the bulbs, and also to fit and stay in the "racoon-eye". In my opinion, I would love for the appearance of the headlight to look most similar to this; http://www.allfastcars.com/koenigseggccrfront.shtml
http://www.koenigsegg.com/thecars/design.asp?design=7

Now, having said that, this is my opinion. We need to come up with a consensus on the final design weather to do a similar style to my pic, or Brangeta's idea.

It would be really nice if we had someone with a good artistic ability and photoshop to show some pictures of possible designs of both ideas and how they would look on the car. Does anyone know of anyone on this board with those capabilities, and photo shop that they could recruit into trying this?

I don't go to them often, but the Automotive News / Future Vehicle Discussion , and the 5th Generation / 2009 Camaro forums have some guys with some great artistic ability. I have seen them make lots of varients of the next generation Camaro, and concept of a futuristic Firebird look amazing. I will try to find someone for this as well, but if anyone knows anyone that can do this, please help.

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Any Progress on this one guys.. I love it... I have seen the piaa "custom" ones... I have always been a fan of headlight and tail light conversions... it seems to be easiest in a honda civic lol... but these would be so niiiice!

http://www.allfastcars.com/koenigseggccrfront.shtml


What about the latest corvette headlights?
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...t-1280x960.jpg

Or the Viper?
http://www.allfastcars.com/dodgeviperfront.shtml

I would love to see it done... its just that the stock headlights sit so far back up in there.

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Hmm... I could go for something that looked like the current C6 headlights if the molding surrounding the lights was black to match our headlight buckets. That would look really nice.

Can someone photoshop it?

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Someone needs to get ahold of FOOSE and see what he can do :)

I really like this idea for the LT1 F-car , So the headlamp is still
recessed where the stock location is but this style without the turn
signal built in . I like the way it would flow like the stock twin lamps
but all one piece with projectors in it :)

http://www.cartype.com/images/page/a..._headlight.jpg

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Qwk little photoshop Ill try to do a better one.

http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/28/29/1...5NKttSV_th.jpg

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Bah! I can do better photoshopping than that! :p (Thanks for the effort though)

I'm tired of waiting, so here's my attempt :)

(BTW that 2007 Z06 looks like crap in that orange color...YUCK :yuck:. I can't believe they changed from that other orange (that was at least decent looking) to that pale orange.)

http://members.aol.com/speedbbb/cama...headlights.jpg

Looks badass to me, I want them.

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Ponykillr, PM sent.

I would also agree that the new viper headlamps also fit my idea of a great possible design (http://www.allfastcars.com/dodgeviperfront.shtml)

Honda Hunter, and or AZ2ENVY, and or Brangeta, will these concept photo's be enough to send to your people? Or will they need drawings as well. I am not sure if these designers need a general direction of where we want to go, and they will take care of the rest, or if we need to get them very specific part #'s for say Hella 90mm bulbs, and measurments of the "racoon eye" area on the 93-97 Camaro front bumper.

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Callaway would probably want a donor car to prototype the headlamps on, and I'm nowhere near Connecticut...

Drawings would probably help, but I really don't know for certain.

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It's times like these I really wish I were back home in the states! I would gladly donate my Camaro bumper for this project. And CT isn't even a far drive from where I am in New Jersey. But I would rather see it done, and order them later then wait on me to get back next year sometime and put this whole thing on hold.

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Here is a better one:

http://image26.webshots.com/27/7/31/...5yfbhNJ_ph.jpg

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I think one issue that needs attention is what to do with the outside corners of the headlight pockets. Should we make a headlight asssembly that replaces the corners ( you would have to cut the corners out ). Or should we make a headlight assembly that only fills in the void. Astheticly I would say remove the corners but $ and ease of install i would say just fill the void space.

Also the edge of the outside corners will most likely be flat black and not look right beside the glass covering the void. I have had clear GTS headlight covers before on my car and think it would look better if the glass coverd all the current black area.

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Good point! Any way we could see a photo shop of each? Personally I think that it also would look better with some fabrication, and cutting out the corners. But like you said, by doing this, we commit everyone who buys these to go to a body shop, or have decent knowledge of how to do a clean install on them. Again, personally I want these to make the car look its absolute best, and I am willing to pay a little extra on top of the final product to make it happen.

What's everyone else's opinion on this?

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Personally, I have no interest in cutting that triangle of material off my car, so I don't like the idea of removing it...

I'm going to try to find some other headlight pictures and find something I like better on a Camaro...

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Sounds good! The important thing is that we persist on this so that it happens, and also that the final product is something we can all agree to submit. To make this happen, we need to be flexable in some areas (like cutting the corners). I could go either way. Again, I wouldn't mind cutting my corners, but I can totally understand not getting a headlamp kit that requires it. One good thing about not cutting out the corners, is it would be a much simplar install (cheaper too).

Before we toatally throw this idea out, I would like to see more pics of what it would look like if the corners were cut out and the headlamp in the place of it. Ponykillr, your first photo of the teal SS Camaro (the only one I can see from this page) looks almost as if it does make use of this. Anyway we can get that picture bigger, and in much more detail?

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Perhaps we could convince whoever makes the lamps to make 2 different styles ;) one that cuts the corners and one that doesn't.

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I'm definitely in for a pair to fill the void.;)

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Brangeta, another good point. First lets see if we can get some more detailed photoshop pics of each, and go from there.

The more I look at Ponykillr's first pic of the teal SS, the more I like it the most so far. But it is a small pic, and when I enlarge it, the detail gets poor. I would like to see as many designs on this as possible. I am sorry I can't contribute since I don't have photoshop, but I will try to recruit others to post up possible concepts.

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a solution would be to have the glass extend to cover the corners and the underside painted black. this would give it the optical allusion of being a single unit replacing the corners. The other solution would be to paint the corners gloss black. Still a PITA for the average buyer.

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Ponykillr, anyway you can blow up, and add more detail to your first photoshop picture of the teal SS?

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Before I bought my 99Z28, was wanting to do this also. I was in the process of modifying a 91 Chevrolet pickup truck parking lamp. It fit under the hood and the euro style looked just like a headlight housing.. It was gonna take some fabrication and changing the angles of how the bulb mounts, but wouldn't look incredible. In the meantime, I did the Hella FF75 Conversioin and added these flush mount Wade Automotive clear covers--notice they don't wrap around like the GTS, Lund, Etc.. I loved the look and got lots of compliments. Maybe these pics can help guide you in a direction or atleast make for decent photoshop material. Check out the rest of my cardomain as well because these pics are pretty blurry, but the only ones that show the clear covers.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...03_72_full.jpg

The rest of the conversion pics: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/693103/9

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Hmm... that pic helps a lot Rebel!

After seeing it, I'm not sure it is to my taste to like a headlamp that fills the entire void of the buckets.
Even though this looks daaaaaamn good:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...03_70_full.jpg

I really think I would rather have something that replaces the stock headlights and still fit under the hood. Something like the headlights used on the '98 SLP Firehawk concept car.

Sort of like this, but better fitting underneath the hood.
http://members.aol.com/speedbbb/firehawkheadlights.jpg

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One thing everyone should keep in mind...these headlights are a magnet for rocks/debris the way they sit back under the hood. I spent $300 in 2 months replacing stock bulbs on mine thanks to rocks and such just in normal city driving. That said, any light that isn't angled up to the hood,like my covers do, is not going to deflect any debris kicked up at it and will most likely crack and break. Chances are whatever is built/designed will cost more than the stock headlight bulbs so breaking and having to replace them won't be easy on the wallet.

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That's weird, I've never had a headlight break, or a foglight either. Do you follow other cars closely? I always stay at least a car length away in the city, and at least 5 away on the highway.

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Man, that's something I was paranoid about from the day I bought the car...always afraid of rocks and stuff. When I bought the car, it was missing a foglight. Bought a new one for $125 and within two weeks of me installing it, guess which one got broken...yep..the new one. So, I ordered foglight grills from gmpd.com and yanked the fogs. At this time, I was still trying to develop the headlight housing out of the pickup truck parking lamp. That's when I abandoned the idea because of the flat face the housing would have and hunted down the Wade covers and just did the FF75 conversion. I never follow closely and always try to keep my car from getting knicked or glass broken. I did however see a rock fly up from a dump truck that pulled out in front of me: it hit the headlight cover and bounced right over the roof of my car and onto the road behind me.:cool: Didn't even do anything to the cover. I was SO happy! Made it worth every minute I spent on the install and every $$.