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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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Some idiot backed into my car breaking my headlights so now I am going to get aftermarket lights. I guess I will try the projector's with better bulbs. Any pics?
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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One thing that wouldn't be too difficult to do would be to get the projector headlights, remove the junk halogen projectors, and replace them with actual HID projectors. If you wanted to get serious about it, something like the Honda S2000 projectors would be a serious upgrade. There are many different sources for write ups on how to do things like this, but it's definitely a worthwhile investment.

Here's some stuff definitely worth reading if you're really intent on improving your headlights.

http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-hid-kits.htm
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-reflectors.htm

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664361
HID FAQ and answers:

1. Is 8000K brighter than 6000K?

No. The Kelvin scale is a measure of colour temperature, not intensity or amount of light. HID setups that produce maximum light output are around 4100-4300K colour temperature, and the higher you go, the less light output. A 12000K HID kit will be dimmer than your stock halogen lights. 4100-4300K kits will have the colour of all the HID lights you see on cars that come equipped with them (like most BMWs, Mercedes-Benz', and other luxury vehicles). The colour is very white, while light output becomes progressively bluer as colour temperature rises; 6000K is white/blue, 8000K is very blue, and above that you go towards purple.

Here are some links for this topic:
What is colour temperature: http://www.hid-online.com/hidonline/...colourtemp.htm
More on that: http://www.hidkits.com/tab_faqs_color.htm
General HID info (scroll to bottom for stuff on brightness): http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-general.htm

2. What HID kit should I buy? What is a good price?

Aftermarket HID is sold by a large number of companies, although less so recently because of NHTSA regulations. However, to ensure the highest quality, make sure you buy HID that is made by an OEM HID manufacturer. OEM HID kits are the same products fitted to many vehicles (usually luxury) by manufacturers before they are sold as new vehicles. See this link: http://faqlight.carpassion.info/car-oem-hid.htm. Notice that almost all ballasts and bulbs used by car manufacturers are Bosch, Osram, Philips, or Hella. Bosch and Osram are not as readily available for retail, but Philips and Hella are. Kits that are not made by these companies are most likely not of the highest quality, although some aftermarket manufacturers such as Brightstar and McCullogh have been recognized as high quality products as well. Philips/Hella kits are generally considered the best.

As far as price is concerned, the cheapest I've seen for a quality kit like Philips/Hella is about $275 on ebay. Most online retailers sell them for $450+. Anything below $400 is a pretty good deal IMO. Here is a site that has a good rep and sells all-Philips kits: www.xenonfactory.com. Google "philips HID" for more, or search this forum.

3. Can I put HID into my stock halogen reflector lighting assembly?

Yes. But it is strongly recommended that you do not. Although it may not seem so, directing the light produced by a headlight bulb to the right places requires a good deal of precision. Reflector assemblies on cars that come equipped with halogen bulbs are made to direct the light produced by halogen bulbs correctly. Replacing those bulbs with HID bulbs that produce three times the light yields a terrible beam pattern. You will have light going all over the place, most importantly into the eyes of drivers of oncoming vehicles. Even if you can tolerate such a beam pattern, your lights would be a safety hazard on the road. Many people try to solve this problem by lowering their lights. However, to reduce glare to acceptable levels, you would have to lower HID lights in halogen reflectors so much that you would not have much of a useable light increase over your stock setup.

http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-hid-kits.htm
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-reflectors.htm
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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That's some really good info
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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Yes it is! I will be getting my new headlights probably next week. Which ones should I get, projector's or halo's?
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 10:51 PM
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Aren't the headlights with the halos the same as the projector lights, with the only difference being the halos? If that's the case, then the choice is really just personal preference. The projectors will still suck, judging from what I've read from you folks, but those lights look cheap enough that you could also pick up a nice set of Acura TSX projectors and D2S bulbs and ballasts to replace the ones in the lights. They are popular because they are cheap, readily available, and are small enough for most applications with their 2.5" lens and small overall housing. If you go that route, make sure to get them with the clear lens, since they have a sharper and more colorful cutoff. I'll see if I can track down the video series on YouTube that shows you how to DIY something like this once I'm not posting from my iphone.
Old Aug 26, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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Thanks!
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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Ok, so here are those videos I mentioned to you. It's not exactly what you'd be doing, but close enough.

Part 1

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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hey Johnny what website did you get that pic with the brightness levels on it? can you order them online?
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 01:39 AM
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The brightness and the temperature of the lights are waaaaaaaaaaaaay different things. 4300k is about as bright of a light as you can get, but just sticking them into a halogen reflector will just make it seem like you've got your high beams on all the time, but the actual light output is completely unfocused and looks like crap. My roommate has the 8000k bulbs in his stock halogen headlights and they are now actually worse than they were before. The cutoff is non-existent and there are hot spots everywhere. I find the car undriveable at night because of it, and it gives everything an annoying blue tint.
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:25 AM
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Ok, here's a couple pictures I borrowed from Lightwerkz to demonstrate a proper cutoff using actual HID optics and not just a "HID" kit in a halogen setup.









Now on to the "HID" kits in halogen housings







Those look like utter crap.
And now, just for fun, here's what can happen when you put one of those cheap, poorly made eBay "HID" kits.



Read what happened here...
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