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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Re: Very simple question on a complex issue. (Long Post)

STAR,

Explaining the MC engine theory is beyond the scope of this bulletin board. I'd suggest a web search. I found this link on "How Stuff Works" which might explain the subject in laymen terminology.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question132.htm

Take care
Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:52 PM
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I'd go gen 1 sbc due to the wider range of people that have activly supported it over the years in the aftermarket. That said I'd be purchasing a World Motown 427 on the 650hp platform with all the goodies to support boost..
..and lots of it.
oh I'd get the EFI option intake of course so Not to have to play around with it.
Add a F.A.S.T. wideband system with 160 pound a hour squiters and visit Harry for a single 90mm or larger turbo, pluming, race gate, intercooler, and a hat.
...the hat's not for your head
Old Jul 19, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Re: Very simple question on a complex issue. (Long Post)

Originally Posted by Mr. Horsepower
Make this discussion worth our time.

I can give you the blueprint to a custom 10,000 ft^2 home but it does you little good if it's beyond your reach monetarily. Might be fun to talk about but it isn't wise time management on my part.

So we need a ballpark on your budget. Believe me, it is always an issue.

As far as the discussion so far, there are better choices.

Take care

Couldn't agree more about the $$$. But better than gen I (if a big block is out)? What are you thinking of?

Rich
Old Jul 20, 2004 | 04:46 PM
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Re: Very simple question on a complex issue. (Long Post)

Originally Posted by LameRandomName
Apparently, I'm not very good at phrasing my questions in a way that gets me the information I am seeking, although I have gotten SOME information that is along the lines I was looking for.


Let me try this one more time, and if I can't get it right, I'll stop bothering you guys.


The Gen I and the Gen III are two different designs, especially in the heads.

In terms of building a high horsepower engine with predominantly "off the shelf" parts, which of those two choices is better and why?
I think I see where you are going with it, and I'd recommend the Gen I stuff for a couple of reasons. First, it will probably be easier/cheaper to get a custom cam for your intentions with GEN I. You also simplify the install a ton, since you can use a distributor, and a carb. Yes, they have a carb'd intake for the Gen III now, but I haven't seen any results yet. Also, you greatly magnify the clylinder head choice with a GEN I. With Gen III, all you can choose from is stock, ported stock, or AFR, which also hasn't been used to death yet. I'd also recommend a turbo instead of a centrifugal. You'll have more power at lower rpms, plus you don't have to worry about a belt/bracket for it.

After reading a bit on the Miller Cycle, which I'll admit I had never heard of, it appears you do need a supercharger, and possibly a positive displacement blower at that. In that case, I'd definitely go Gen I, as the Magnacharger is the only positive displacement I've seen for the Gen III. Curious though, would you not run into some piston/valve clearance issues with an extra 30 degrees of the intake valve being open? And, from what I've read, my understanding is that it is only open longer on the compression stroke. Wouldn't that entail some sort of variable valve timing?
Old Jul 20, 2004 | 08:13 PM
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Re: Very simple question on a complex issue. (Long Post)

Originally Posted by brain
...I'd recommend the Gen I stuff...

...would you not run into some piston/valve clearance issues with an extra 30 degrees of the intake valve being open? And, from what I've read, my understanding is that it is only open longer on the compression stroke. Wouldn't that entail some sort of variable valve timing?

Yeah, I'd been leaning towards the Gen I stuff from the beginning, specifically a Motown block and heads. (Little Chiefs)

I just wanted to make sure that i wasn't missing the boat by not going with Gen III.

As to the piston/valve clearance, it's not a problem. The valve just hangs open a bit past BDC, so the valve would be closed long before the piston got near it.

As to the variable timing, it's not needed because on the exhaust stroke, although the intake valve is hanging open past BDC, there is air flowing past the intake valve with greater pressure than what exists in the exhaust port, so you don't get backflow. In fact, you get a nice cooling effect.

On a carb'd engine, I would be very concerned about the large quantities of hydrocarbons being blown out the exhaust, but with fuel injection the injector wont spray on that stroke.

And yes, I do plan to run fuel injection.

I do still want to use a centirfugal supercharger, specifically because of it's boost characteristics, but this is where what I've learned about the Miller cycle begins to break down. I simply don't know how much boost I need at lower RPMs for a Miller cycle to work. Nor do I know what the appropriate cam specs would be.

If push comes to shove, I plan to dump the Miller idea and stick with the core of my original idea, which is essentially to, for lack of a better way of expressing the notion, end up with a gas pedal that reacts like a rheostat.

I know... that's a silly notion. I'm just going for a decent analogy here that conveys the idea in a way that you can relate to, even though it's not REALLY an accurate representation of what I plan to do.
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