The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
Originally Posted by Zero_to_69
Here are the pictures of the heads and TF team car I promised!
Check out the design of these heads. The tech was throwing these around
like rag dolls.
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/promodheads.jpg
Other stuff
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelvalve.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelrods.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelmagneto.jpg
This is the team that let me take video and pics (nice people!):
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topteam.jpg
Check out the design of these heads. The tech was throwing these around
like rag dolls.
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/promodheads.jpg
Other stuff
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelvalve.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelrods.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topfuelmagneto.jpg
This is the team that let me take video and pics (nice people!):
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/topteam.jpg
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
Yep, that's the head from the Eaton Cutler-Hammer team (promodheads.jpg).
Those boys were running low 6's @ 210 MPH! Have you ever seen their truck
and trailer?
Golf carts, tool box, ATV's, and even a BBQ matching the car's color scheme.
Some people just have too much sponsorship & money!
Those boys were running low 6's @ 210 MPH! Have you ever seen their truck
and trailer?
Golf carts, tool box, ATV's, and even a BBQ matching the car's color scheme.
Some people just have too much sponsorship & money!
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
Originally Posted by OldSStroker
Thanks. Of course you are correct. 0.5 psi is a big % of change change on a 6.0 psi inflation. How sensitive is the tire to pressure? Do you adjust in 0.1 psi increments or more like 0.5 psi? I think FC min is 6.5 psi for the new tires.
Are both rear tires the same inflation pressure?
How many runs does a tire last? Does shake harm the tire (eg: irregular wear, cupping or the like?)
Do you balance the wheel/tire assembly? Seems like a dumb question, but with the gyrations the tire goes thru and the standing distortion wave behind the contact patch, my thought is that tire uniformity, or consistent construction and thickness around the tire, would be more critical than static balance. I think a driver might feel a "bad" tire the first time he ran it, or maybe even during a burnout.
Are both rear tires the same inflation pressure?
How many runs does a tire last? Does shake harm the tire (eg: irregular wear, cupping or the like?)
Do you balance the wheel/tire assembly? Seems like a dumb question, but with the gyrations the tire goes thru and the standing distortion wave behind the contact patch, my thought is that tire uniformity, or consistent construction and thickness around the tire, would be more critical than static balance. I think a driver might feel a "bad" tire the first time he ran it, or maybe even during a burnout.
Tires usually last about 5-6 runs (at $500 each tire), but some of the low-buck teams run them longer. Sometimes tires only last 1 run as they get cuts and gashes in them if they run over something.
Our team dynamic balanced all of our tires. Some teams go the cheaper route and static balance them. Everywhere you see a piece of colored 'racers tape' (duct tape
) on the wheel, that is where the weights are placed. Sometimes there is 8-10 oz of weight in one spot on the wheel. Usually a bad tire is spotted during balancing. If it requires more than 10 oz of weight in one spot, we would dismount it and rotate the tire 180* on the rim and try again. Most of the time that would take care of the problem, but if not, we would take it back to Goodyear and get another.
If a tire spins on the wheel or a weight comes off, it's usually noticed in the pits during the warmup. The car shakes more than normal!
Other than that, the driver can also tell on the burnout if something is wrong. He will also feel vibrations then.
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
Originally Posted by wesman987
Wow, thats a lot of reading. Did anyone mention that there are supposedly two lifters on the exhaust valve? I don't know if this is correct, but I have read where they place two lifters on top of each other on the exhaust valve.
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
I was talking to a friend that works at Comp Cams today and he was telling me about that lifter with the double roller. He said the cylinder pressure is so great when the exhaust valve opens that the pin in the lifter would shear off. He said the exhaust rocker is a solid tip design for the same reason.
Another thing he said was the loud pop you hear is the end of the explosion. They open the exhaust valve a little early so the explosion of nitro pushes the exhaust out instead of the piston. That minimizes pumping losses.
This has been an interesting thread. I really enjoy watching the fuel cars run. I think that anybody that has every been down a dragstrip needs to see them.
Another thing he said was the loud pop you hear is the end of the explosion. They open the exhaust valve a little early so the explosion of nitro pushes the exhaust out instead of the piston. That minimizes pumping losses.
This has been an interesting thread. I really enjoy watching the fuel cars run. I think that anybody that has every been down a dragstrip needs to see them.
Re: The Truth About Top Fuel Motors
I just noticed someone asked for a shot of the valves.
Here's a view of a charged alcohol head (Cutler-Hamer's entry):
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/promodrunner.jpg
Here's a view of a charged alcohol head (Cutler-Hamer's entry):
http://members.rogers.com/tdese739/promodrunner.jpg
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