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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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Haven't been on here for some time but as Oldstroker said you can run significantly lighter pistons sometimes with longer rods and if you don't need the ring stack for what you are doing lighter is better 90 percent of the time. Lighter stuff will take more stress off your assembly than the rod ratio will but it all helps and you are going the right directio with both changes on any given engine.

I run a lot of 6.000 and 5.850 for NOS or blowers and for extreme stuff sometimes back to the old 5.700 and they all seem to work just great. On a very small stroke engine I run the 6.125-6.300 stuff sometimes but many people believe that's loo long a rod to make good power believe or not but I do it to use a piston that's already a shelf part 90 per cent of the time anyway.There are other factors such as where the skirt shape is at BDC but this is usually designed into these pistons since they know the stroke and the cylinder lengths.
Old Apr 29, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Originally Posted by 1racerdude
You can't tell the differance in either,on the dyno,at the track,or SOP meter.
A rod is a good way to connect the pistons to the crank.
Ya can use the RR to influence the head flow and detionation,but that's another book.
Do a search as this topic has been beat to death.
i disagree with that , rod angularity is changed by changing rod or stroke .
1.greater rod angularity = more torque less horse power
* obtained by longer stroke or shorter rod
2.smaller rod angularity = more horse power less torque
*obtained by shorter stroke or longer rod.
Old Apr 29, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Originally Posted by Z28dotcom
I guess what we are looking for is not really opinions on which rod to use but want to know how to calculate the correct rod length and why it is needed...

Just for the record, I am running the 5.7's in my 355ci without any problems

Thanks
to calculate rod length add rod length to piston compression height plus deck clearance plus 1/2 of the stroke .

total should be right at deck height of block.
Old Apr 29, 2006 | 04:38 PM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Originally Posted by gex598
I run 6.125 rods in my 350 LT1. Longer rods put less side loading on the piston bores and rings. The will also increase dynamic compression because of long dwell times and higher piston speeds. The down side is the small compression height, many times the oil ring will be in the wrist pin. Making a easy target for detonation! I dont know if the longer rods or gapless rings have helped any for performance, but I do think they benfit driveablilty somewhat. I'm running a 24*/25* on a sub 110 and still consider it streetable, it may be all in the tune.
compresion is not affected by rod lenght
compression ratio is only affected by
1. dome size
2.combustion chamber
3.cylinder volume
*bore x bore x stroke x .7854
Old Apr 29, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Originally Posted by scarface007
i disagree with that , rod angularity is changed by changing rod or stroke .
1.greater rod angularity = more torque less horse power
* obtained by longer stroke or shorter rod
2.smaller rod angularity = more horse power less torque
*obtained by shorter stroke or longer rod.
Prove it.

Last edited by markinkc69z; Apr 29, 2006 at 06:43 PM.
Old Apr 30, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Wrong static compression is not effected by rod length, but dynamic compression is. Rod length effects piston speed and dwell time, these do affect dynamic compression. The LE2 setups are slated at 8.5 DCR because of my longer rods I ended up at 8.7 DCR not much of a difference, but enough that if not planned right could cause a street motor to not run on pump gas.
Old Apr 30, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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Re: Rod Lenght.....

Originally Posted by scarface007
i disagree with that , rod angularity is changed by changing rod or stroke .
1.greater rod angularity = more torque less horse power
* obtained by longer stroke or shorter rod
2.smaller rod angularity = more horse power less torque
*obtained by shorter stroke or longer rod.
Ya can disagree all ya want. Between 5.7 and 6.2 there is NO difference ya can feel or see.
If ya haven't done the dyno tests your disagreements are just an opinion.Without CURRENT documentation it will just be an oppinion.

Look up Reher-Morrison(heard of them?) and look at the dyno tests they did on this subject. What they found out and proved to GM engineers is the same as I have seen.
If ya care to do a board search search on this subject ya will get a LOT of info.

Ya can influence the flow with different lengths.

"O" there is less than 1* change in angularity between the shortest and the longest rod ya can run in a SBC. Boy that is gonna make a BIG difference,HUH.

Last edited by 1racerdude; Apr 30, 2006 at 02:12 PM.
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