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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:56 PM
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Need a quick dynamic CR check please

In the middle of choosing my new pistons to replace the ones with valve imprints in them.

If I go with a JE extreme duty nitrous flattop with 4cc reliefs it puts me at 12.8:1 SCR with .039 gaskets or 12.4:1 SCR with stock gaskets.

Dont know what all is needed but the cam is ~240/250 @ .050 and .568/.568 lift. If other info is needed please PM me. Thanks.
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 07:45 AM
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Re: Need a quick dynamic CR check please

Originally posted by jonaddis84
In the middle of choosing my new pistons to replace the ones with valve imprints in them.

If I go with a JE extreme duty nitrous flattop with 4cc reliefs it puts me at 12.8:1 SCR with .039 gaskets or 12.4:1 SCR with stock gaskets.

Dont know what all is needed but the cam is ~240/250 @ .050 and .568/.568 lift. If other info is needed please PM me. Thanks.
DCR is usually figured using advertised duration, not duration @ 0.050", so those numbers are needed along with the LSA and the intake center line. Also the combustion chamber volume, gasket bore, and rod length.

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 04:06 PM
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dynamic comp

Pm me with every thing you know about your engine bore,stroke.rod length,block deck height.Chamber CC's,adv duration,intake closing degree's,How far down the piston is the top ring, ect-ect.
Iwill figure it on my program and tell you exactly what it is.
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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Yep, we also need deck height. If you want to be fancy, the clearance of the piston in the bore and the height above the top ring are needed too!

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 06:57 PM
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Rich,

I did tell him exactly,not close like some online calculators do.



EDIT-There are 2+CC's there in most pistons but some consider it a safety margin. I like to see the exact figure on paper.

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 08:22 PM
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..... and you need to know combustion chamber volume with the same spark plug you intend to use. Need to cc the chambers to be sure.

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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dia of head gasket fire ring works in also.
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 08:38 PM
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..... and you need to know combustion chamber volume with the same spark plug you intend to use. Need to cc the chambers to be sure.

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Fergot that one too

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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Red face

Easy to do when you're sitting at a computer Rich. I do it all the time.

We're just throwing stuff around here anyways. But it does bring up a good point.... if your building an engine, it's probably a good idea to take your time, write everything down on paper and crunch the numbers a few times just to be sure. It's easy to miss things.

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Ditto--Do that every day,and it gets worse with age.
Old Jun 25, 2004 | 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Mindgame
We're just throwing stuff around here anyways. But it does bring up a good point.... if your building an engine, it's probably a good idea to take your time, write everything down on paper and crunch the numbers a few times just to be sure. It's easy to miss things.

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Wise words.

Perhaps even more than a few times.
Old Jun 25, 2004 | 11:46 PM
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Just wondering..
Since a lot of people seem to want this sort of info, does anyone have the actual formulas to figure it up? If so, I would like to write up a quicky VB app to do the crunching for us. I think it might make a cool addition to the site as a free d-load. Dontcha think?

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Old Jun 26, 2004 | 12:01 AM
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Man,that would be nice.There is all kind of info on line to save 30 minutes typing.You could paste it direct. Just type in Dynamic compression and wallaaa.
Old Jun 26, 2004 | 12:02 AM
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I belive its the same as static compression ratio, but instead of total displacement... use the total volume of the cylinder when the Intake Valve closes (which is why you need the cam specs, the rod length, and the stroke).

Now if you want to factor in VE, wavelength tuning (for mild SC effects), and other factors that's also possible, but much more involved. The "as run" Dynamic CR is a real nightmare to work out, but the traditional concept of Dynamic CR just assumes 1 atmosphere pressure @ WOT (VE=1) to assume the mixture isn't compressing until the valve closes.

If it's too high... slip in a bigger cam
Old Jun 26, 2004 | 12:26 AM
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DOH! Someone beat me to it

Would one of you guys download this thing and check it's accuracy? I'm on XP and it installed and ran fine without the VB runtimes...

Dynamic Compression Calc

Dave C.



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