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Old Sep 13, 2003 | 03:00 AM
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injector fuse vs duty cycle

A while back I blew an injector fuse on the left bank during a hard boost run. This occured on the first cold night we had, so the car was making extra power that night. I pulled the fuse and replaced it with another 7.5. I ran the car a few weeks with no problems. Tonight I stepped the boost up to 22psi and the same fuse popped again in 3rd gear. I put a 10amp in for the hell of it and made a mental note to check the wiring tomorrow. After driving around 4 awhile I headed home. Made a few passes and popped the fuse. Except this time it was the right bank. I was a little stardled by the results, thinking of the odds that theres a short in both banks. I put a 10amp fuse in that bank continued home making serveral passes and didnt lose another fuse.
The fuse has never blown under regular driving conditions. Right now Im pushing the hell out of these 72#ers, with a duty cycle in 3rd gear around 95%. Because of the intense duty cycle are the injectors needing more amprage to keep up?
Old Sep 13, 2003 | 11:36 AM
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Are these peak & hold injectors? What are you driving them with? Why are you even running them if you know you have 95% duty cycle?

Old Sep 13, 2003 | 02:03 PM
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I wont run any more boost into these injectors because of the duty cycle. From what I have hurd the siemans can handle the 90% duty cycle with out locking up. I have not experianced any problems yet. Next year I will be getting 96#ers. Im driving the injectors with a f.a.s.t. What do you mean by peak and hold? If I remember correctly they are low impedance.
Old Sep 13, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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Low impedance is "peak and hold".... it uses a very high current (4-6A) to open the injector and then less than 1A to hold it there. By contrast, a stock high impedance injector is going to run about 0.75-1A. Where are the fuses for the injectors? If its in the stock harness, attached to the stock 10A fuses, its possible that the high duty cycle is attemting to drive multiple injectors simultaneously, and with the "peak" amps, they are going to draw more than 10A if two of them try to operate simultaneously.

When I read something like this (from Russ Collins at RC Engineering), it makes me cringe to see peolple trying to drive injectors to 90% and more:

Next we test each injector at varying pulse widths, over the entire rpm range, from idle to 12,000 RPM. Starting the test at minimum Duty Cycle and increasing to 80% Duty Cycle, including the fast idle test at 2400 RPM. (80% is considered maximum usable Duty Cycle and is commonly used to calculate Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). We use the strobe light and the laser beam through out the testing cycle. It's a wonderful way to visually freeze the patterns, in mid air, and actually measure the results with the laser. No one else has this capability, and it's a real interesting light show. The last test that we run is the Tell All Test. We run each unit up in duty cycle, at 12,000 RPM, until it fails electronically. (Seen on the oscilloscope) This is prominently displayed with the laser and strobe. Most pintle type injectors fail at 86%/88% and the Disc will usually go to 92% +, depending on system pressure. All must cycle smoothly up to 85% to Pass. Bad injectors will sometimes go "static" at 70% or so and are discarded. NOTE: Most pintle injectors will increase flow rates up to 88%, 92% with Disc injectors, and then go "semi-static", half open-half closed, just before going full static. This time-out event occurs at different time/pulse width durations, in different injectors, but always produces a 50% or so Duty Cycle flow rate. This extremely dangerous situation will usually occur at the worst of times, full throttle-max boost-high RPM- just when you need 100% fuel delivery you get 50% and go dead lean. BANG!!! This problem seems to amplify a bit at higher pressures.

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