Independent Rear
Re: Independent Rear
Originally Posted by Jon A
Did it occur to you that the Why? comments might be comming because we are "educated in this field?" I'm quite well versed in the world of roll center heights and migrations, swing arm lengths (both side and front views), jacking forces, side scrub, etc, etc, etc the list goes on forever. The question is, are you?
So if you're doing it for "better handling" (as in getting around a racetrack faster) the best advice is to save your money and buy a C5. If you're doing it "for the hell of it," a better ride on the street, scoring points at carshows, etc, then that's a lot more possible.
If you're looking to change the "handling feel" of the rear and the entire car to more closely resemble that of cars with modern IRS's, that too can be done for a couple hundred bucks--with your solid axle.
The "Why" really is quite important if you want any useful help.
So if you're doing it for "better handling" (as in getting around a racetrack faster) the best advice is to save your money and buy a C5. If you're doing it "for the hell of it," a better ride on the street, scoring points at carshows, etc, then that's a lot more possible.
If you're looking to change the "handling feel" of the rear and the entire car to more closely resemble that of cars with modern IRS's, that too can be done for a couple hundred bucks--with your solid axle.
The "Why" really is quite important if you want any useful help.
Last edited by LTBlackBird; Apr 21, 2006 at 05:31 AM.
Re: Independent Rear
I'm gonna do it. I think it is friggin awesome, not to mention, it could definately be cheaper than a 12 bolt.
the list:
Vette wheels: Check
Vette Brakes: 50%(need calipers)
Vette Rear: waiting for brackets
Vette engine: I can dream about an LS7, lol.
I guess I should call the insurance company and tell them that it's not so much of a Camaro that needs insurance, that it is more of a Vette. lol.
the list:
Vette wheels: Check
Vette Brakes: 50%(need calipers)
Vette Rear: waiting for brackets
Vette engine: I can dream about an LS7, lol.
I guess I should call the insurance company and tell them that it's not so much of a Camaro that needs insurance, that it is more of a Vette. lol.
Re: Independent Rear
Well I guess I can get the idea from the majority, it being that its probably possible but would be very very expensive and the gains would be minimal. Am I wrong here or am I getting warmer?
Re: Independent Rear
There's little doubt that the cool factor of the swap would be fairly high to most people. However, you're essentially talking about backhalving the car to get it to work. That isn't as cheap as you might think if you don't have the equipment and the skills needed (tubing bender, a GOOD jig to work on, a hella good TIG setup, sheet metal brake, bead roller, etc....) Yeah, it can certainly be done BUT, the cool factor of a tubbed late model is pretty darn high too, and your 90% there if your backhalving it anyway.
Just food for thought...
Dave C.
Just food for thought...
Dave C.
Re: Independent Rear
So would you say that backhalving is necessary when looking at any Corvette IRS? C4, C5, and C6? Again, just trying to get the major consenses, I'm really glad to have made my over to this site, kinda of getting sick of LS1tech. More opinions are invited. Thanks Guys
Re: Independent Rear
I don't suppose it's necessary in theory. You could replicate mounts and such in sheet metal and use the unibody as attachment, but I don't know of anyone who frequents this board who would have THAT much engineering abililty. Doing something like that on their own as opposed to a team that is. So, yes; I would thinks that building a new tube frame for the back-half would be necessary to provide the pickup points for the mounts. Like I said before though, it would be easier to hang a pre-engineered 4 link back there and create just as cool a street cruiser that would hook like a mother at the strip. If you want an independant rear with an LT1/LSx class engine twisting it, I would seriously consider looking at a different platform. Corvette or maybe a porshe 928. Both could be had for a reasonable amount and would be FAR better when completed.
Now tubbing a latemodel Z.
That's the kind of thing that I like. Nothing looks better to me... But then again I don't give a crap about corners
Dave C
Now tubbing a latemodel Z.
That's the kind of thing that I like. Nothing looks better to me... But then again I don't give a crap about corners
Dave C
Re: Independent Rear
Like I said before,
The thing that stuck out of my mind the most from the very few and rare completed examples I've saw on the inet, was the cutting, welding, fabbing, and extra bracing required out back, to properly mount the IRS assembly.
At a glance, the first obvious question would be, how do you properly mount the diff of the IRS? Let alone everything else.
If you ever do it for a show car, make sure you put the car on raised platform, and put plenty of mirrors underneath so everyone can appreciate the work.. Hell, make one rear tire a little more raised from the other too.
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CCCCCYA, since I love corners, for a showcar, what I would love to see is a latemodel roadracing inspired Z, with a slightly narowed 9" out back and a stealthy "minitub", with a subtle fender flares to neatly tuck in some wide rim and tire.. With matching wide and lowprofile tire(but not too low!) tucked up front too.. Yea, maybe a little too much tire and too much lower profile for actual roadracing, but it can look good. Simple and shiny sheetmetal covered interior, covering everything up.. with stock dash, with various custom gauges lined up inside.
A twist could be race "inspired" seats, and a stereo system hidden away, and a cageless interior, to keep it as a "street car" angle..
would be cool if they could somehow "ghost" in racing numbers and faint outlines of sponsor logo's on the paint so that its only seen at certain angles or something.. to support the theme of roadracer/steet car line blurring.
The thing that stuck out of my mind the most from the very few and rare completed examples I've saw on the inet, was the cutting, welding, fabbing, and extra bracing required out back, to properly mount the IRS assembly.
At a glance, the first obvious question would be, how do you properly mount the diff of the IRS? Let alone everything else.
If you ever do it for a show car, make sure you put the car on raised platform, and put plenty of mirrors underneath so everyone can appreciate the work.. Hell, make one rear tire a little more raised from the other too.

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CCCCCYA, since I love corners, for a showcar, what I would love to see is a latemodel roadracing inspired Z, with a slightly narowed 9" out back and a stealthy "minitub", with a subtle fender flares to neatly tuck in some wide rim and tire.. With matching wide and lowprofile tire(but not too low!) tucked up front too.. Yea, maybe a little too much tire and too much lower profile for actual roadracing, but it can look good. Simple and shiny sheetmetal covered interior, covering everything up.. with stock dash, with various custom gauges lined up inside.
A twist could be race "inspired" seats, and a stereo system hidden away, and a cageless interior, to keep it as a "street car" angle..
would be cool if they could somehow "ghost" in racing numbers and faint outlines of sponsor logo's on the paint so that its only seen at certain angles or something.. to support the theme of roadracer/steet car line blurring.
Last edited by Ken S; Apr 22, 2006 at 02:12 AM.
Re: Independent Rear
Guys this comes up about once a year. Yes it can be done, it's really not a bad swap (fabrication skills required.), however other than the WOW factor and the slight increase in handling (over stock), it's really up to the owner whether he/she wants to do it..
Here's a little link you might want.
http://www.quarter-mile.net/IROC/ima...IRS_index.html
BTW I've seen this car in person, very nicely done.
As for C5 or C6, you would have to rip out the whole floor pan to fab it in.. really not worth it in my opinion. Just buy a C5 (they are cheaper now).
Here's a little link you might want.
http://www.quarter-mile.net/IROC/ima...IRS_index.html
BTW I've seen this car in person, very nicely done.
As for C5 or C6, you would have to rip out the whole floor pan to fab it in.. really not worth it in my opinion. Just buy a C5 (they are cheaper now).
Last edited by EastLa; Apr 23, 2006 at 08:38 PM.
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