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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:37 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by strokedTA:
COOL, Rich, Now I have an EXOTIC Race set-up! LOL

Really simple actually.
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Hey Dave: I'd like to know more about your setup (and the logic behind it)!

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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 05:18 AM
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So what I'm hearing in this thread, it's worthless for me to convert to a studed narrow register straight 4 bolt main with billet caps over a studed two bolt? And the only 4 bolt conversion that's worth the trouble is splayed?

I was going to go to the straight 4 bolt main conversion since it is considerably cheaper than the splayed 4 bolt because they won't have to remachine the registers. I guess I need to think about this some more before I take the block to the machinist.
Old Jul 11, 2002 | 07:52 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Curt (pres AAMC & ZAA):
So what I'm hearing in this thread, it's worthless for me to convert to a studed narrow register straight 4 bolt main with billet caps over a studed two bolt? And the only 4 bolt conversion that's worth the trouble is splayed?

I was going to go to the straight 4 bolt main conversion since it is considerably cheaper than the splayed 4 bolt because they won't have to remachine the registers. I guess I need to think about this some more before I take the block to the machinist.
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You could argue that there's no need to use anything other than the stock 2-bolt caps on most buildups. But 4-bolt caps will be a lot stronger. I doubt that the incremental advantage of splayed v. straight caps is of any signficance except for the most extreme buildup. FWIW I am making 733rwhp on straight nodular iron caps.

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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 02:25 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Eric Bryant:
All depends - can you hit the same clamping force that was used when the block was originally line-bored? If so, nothing really changes and you don't need to hone the block.

On the other hand, if the cap clamping force changes due to the change from bolts to studs, then it's not a bad idea to clean things up with a quick hone of the mains.

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Thanks Eric!

So I guess its a "try it and see" sort of thing. I guess you would just measure the diameter of the hole to see if its still round after converting to studs?

Thanks,
Jason

Old Jul 12, 2002 | 11:28 AM
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Rich, What would you like to know?
I thought most people here knew what I had?
The Logic????
Well, for one, I saved over $5000.00 going with a carb.
Where do you think that extra money went?
If I was boosted or drove it more on the street, EFI would "maybe" be a better option, but with spray it's not a major benefit.


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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 01:08 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by strokedTA:
Rich, What would you like to know?
I thought most people here knew what I had?
The Logic????
Well, for one, I saved over $5000.00 going with a carb.
Where do you think that extra money went?
If I was boosted or drove it more on the street, EFI would "maybe" be a better option, but with spray it's not a major benefit.


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You told me what I needed to know (that it's a race setup with a carb). FWIW that makes it "exotic" in my lexicon! For 99.999% of "the rest of us" street and street/strip guys keeping the LT1 with EFI makes more sense.

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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 03:46 PM
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Hey Rich
You said that you were making over 700 RWHP on iron caps. So is your set up a factor 2 bolt or 4 bolt bottom end?

Thanks
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Old Jul 27, 2002 | 01:42 PM
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 04:43 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by strokedTA:
Well, for one, I saved over $5000.00 going with a carb.
Where do you think that extra money went?
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you saved $5,000 by going to a carb!?!? how so?
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 06:40 PM
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Take my Scenario:

$350 LT4 Intake
$300 Porting
$2000 FAST
$500 Injectors
$500 Throttle Body
$100 Fuel Pump
$500 Laptop
$100 Regulator
$275 Opti
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$4625 Total

or

$350 Single Plane Intake
$300 Porting
$200 Machining for LT1 Bolt Pattern (Just a guess)
$1000 Carb
$300 Fuel Pump (Not counting new braided lines etc, since OEM can't be used)
$100 Regulator
$200 Distributor
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$2650 Total

Note that not everyone might need that $2000 FAST system.

I'm sure I'm missing some things, but when it comes down to it, if you have a perfectly good LT1 setup, its hardly worth going to a carb. Consider you wouldn't need to buy the intake, Opti, and a few other items.

No doubt Dave's personal scenario is slightly different, being a Gen1 SBCbut I think he's pretty well overexagerating there at $5k.

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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 10:57 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Matt Mc:
Hey Rich
You said that you were making over 700 RWHP on iron caps. So is your set up a factor 2 bolt or 4 bolt bottom end?

Thanks
Matt mc
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Factory 2-bolt converted to 4-bolt using GM straight nodular iron caps pn 3932482. It's what my engine builder reccomended so I went with them. No problems so far, though my setup is not a high-revver (6K rpm redline).

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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
Factory 2-bolt converted to 4-bolt using GM straight nodular iron caps pn 3932482. It's what my engine builder reccomended so I went with them.
Was this more of a budget issue or a means of averting "stretch" with billet caps?
Old Nov 7, 2002 | 12:56 PM
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strokedTA,

I have a carbed going into my 95 camaro in about two weeks. We are just going to tackle all the problems (cowl clearance, accessories, etc.....) as we get there but if you have done it any suggesstions or pics would be great.

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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jim S. '95 Z28
Was this more of a budget issue or a means of averting "stretch" with billet caps?
He never really gave me much of a reason. Maybe he had a set laying around? He is sort of opinionated and I went along with it. All I can say is, it works!

Rich Krause
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