Advanced Tech Advanced tech discussion. Major rebuilds, engine theory, etc.
HIGH-END DISCUSSION ONLY - NOT FOR GENERAL TECH INFO

Duramax Diesel 32 valve heads on LS1?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 3, 2003 | 08:27 PM
  #1  
Socrates's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 28
Lightbulb Duramax Diesel 32 valve heads on LS1?

Since the Duramax diesel uses aluminum 32 valve heads that are pushrod actuated. It is possible to bolt these heads onto an LS1 block? If these heads are a direct bolt-on than this would be a crazy combination!

http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...silverado.html
Old Jan 3, 2003 | 09:55 PM
  #2  
Josh-'04 GTO's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 1,697
From: Petersham, MA
Don't diesel engines have an obscene amount of compression? I would imaging the chambers are tiny, and you're probably looking at valve/piston interference with our higher valve lifts.
Old Jan 3, 2003 | 09:58 PM
  #3  
Jimmy17's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 116
to think they'll 'bolt on' is probably dreaming
i doubt even with work they'd match up, but then again i know almost nothing about the duramax

so out of curiosity.... what block casting do the duramax's use?
Old Jan 3, 2003 | 10:16 PM
  #4  
Stephen 87 IROC's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 2,037
From: 51°N 114°W, 3500' elevation
The Duramax is an Isuzu engine. It has nothing in common with a GM block.

Diesel heads have no combustion chambers in the heads. The combustion chamber is in the top of the piston. If there was some way to bolt the heads on, the valve train geometry wouldn't work.

You might as well be asking if Ford 4.6L heads will bolt on.
Old Jan 3, 2003 | 10:22 PM
  #5  
Jimmy17's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 116
will ford 4.6L heads bolt on?
Old Jan 4, 2003 | 02:35 AM
  #6  
Stangdstryer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 41
From: MI
plus you would need another cam to push all those extra valves
Old Jan 4, 2003 | 09:46 AM
  #7  
Mikael's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 407
From: Tacoma, WA
Originally posted by Stangdstryer
plus you would need another cam to push all those extra valves
32V Dominion heads work w/ the stock cam/pushrods
Old Jan 4, 2003 | 02:49 PM
  #8  
WS6 TA's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 520
From: MD
First, by design diesel heads have to be different then gas heads (spark plug, vs injector…).

If it wasn’t for that the most cost effective way to go is to find a head that has the same bore spacing, though it would be more difficult on a V 8 engine. A good example of this is that the Volvo DOHC heads can be made to fit a ford 2.3, only needing modifications for one bolt hole per cylinder and working out appropriate manifolds. Assorted SBC and V8 Poncho parts can be made to work on Iron duke 2.5L 4’s, and aftermarket blocs are available that make most V8 heads a bolt on.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 02:27 PM
  #9  
Teal94Z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 569
From: Southern California
Why would you even bother with the cost/price of 32v heads? The LS1 Heads are pretty good from the factory, and produce awesome flow numbers with a little work.....
Old Jan 6, 2003 | 02:32 AM
  #10  
WS6 TA's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 520
From: MD
32 is better then 16?

Personally, I'd be happy to get an LS1 style head on a traditional SBC, the best of both worlds...
Old Jan 6, 2003 | 05:32 AM
  #11  
Mindgame's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,985
From: In a house by the bay
Originally posted by WS6 TA
32 is better then 16?

Personally, I'd be happy to get an LS1 style head on a traditional SBC, the best of both worlds...
You can.
The GM Splayed valve head, commonly known among racers as the 517 is a symmetrical port head just like the LS1/LS6. Better yet, it uses a valve cant.
The same can be said of the 'old' Dart Buick (Chevy small-block) heads. Brodix also has a symmetrical port head, the BD 2000. So there are choices if you have the money. On top of that, I'd say that the SB2.2 is a better head than the LS, even without the symmetric ports.

-Mindgame
Old Jan 7, 2003 | 02:03 PM
  #12  
Unstang's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 41
From: Urbandale, IA
Talking Stangnet is pondering this too

Originally posted by WS6 TA
32 is better then 16?

Personally, I'd be happy to get an LS1 style head on a traditional SBC, the best of both worlds...
Except with a small block Ford...

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthrea...hreadid=261999
Old Jan 8, 2003 | 01:27 PM
  #13  
WS6 TA's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 520
From: MD
Originally posted by Mindgame
You can.
The GM Splayed valve head, commonly known among racers as the 517 is a symmetrical port head just like the LS1/LS6. Better yet, it uses a valve cant.
The same can be said of the 'old' Dart Buick (Chevy small-block) heads. Brodix also has a symmetrical port head, the BD 2000. So there are choices if you have the money. On top of that, I'd say that the SB2.2 is a better head than the LS, even without the symmetric ports.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these do have a similar design, but MUCH larger, less streetable ports. For that matter, even if they did have similar port sizing/streetability, by the time I get them running (intake, exhaust, valvetrain...) they'll cost me more then swapping a complete LS1.
Old Jan 8, 2003 | 06:59 PM
  #14  
rskrause's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Dec 1969
Posts: 10,745
From: Buffalo, New York
Maybe you could fit a Ferrari F1 head with electronic valve actuation on a big block and throw it in your 4th gen.

Maybe pigs will fly.

Rich Krause
Old Jan 8, 2003 | 07:34 PM
  #15  
OldSStroker's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,931
From: Upstate NY
Originally posted by rskrause
Maybe you could fit a Ferrari F1 head with electronic valve actuation on a big block and throw it in your 4th gen.

Maybe pigs will fly.

Rich Krause
LOL!

'Warthogs' fly.

Strange thread, this.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:27 PM.