Bummed about by 383 dyno performance.
#16
Check out the map readings too that will give you an idea if its something in the motor or if something in front of the tb is causing the problem. Get your maf airflow in grams per second as well, peak number will be what to look for. I have seen enough of these run that i have an idea about what it should take to make x hp.
Off a tooth would have you 16-20 degrees advanced depending on your timing chain, I really really think you would know for certain if it was off that far. The results would be horrific. Cranking compression test would reveal this most likely.
I am guessing you are also certain that the valve springs are up to the job since both pieces are gtp stuff.
Off a tooth would have you 16-20 degrees advanced depending on your timing chain, I really really think you would know for certain if it was off that far. The results would be horrific. Cranking compression test would reveal this most likely.
I am guessing you are also certain that the valve springs are up to the job since both pieces are gtp stuff.
Last edited by WS6T3RROR; 09-11-2008 at 08:46 AM.
#18
Take it to the track, if your AFR and timing is right who cares what the dyno says? You built it to have fun with and thats all that matters.
My neighbor has a LS1 Camaro that wheel dyno's at 400rwhp and he always bragged himself up on this number and how crazy I was to do an LT1 car. Long story short, he hasn't beat me yet and my car is just barely at 300rwhp and trust me his car has ALOT more into it than mine does, it drives him nuts.
My neighbor has a LS1 Camaro that wheel dyno's at 400rwhp and he always bragged himself up on this number and how crazy I was to do an LT1 car. Long story short, he hasn't beat me yet and my car is just barely at 300rwhp and trust me his car has ALOT more into it than mine does, it drives him nuts.
#19
Probably not off by a tooth, but if the cam was not degreed as part of the install, it may
very well be off +/- 6* which would cause a significant loss of power up top.
Overtightened rockers, gaskets protruding into the passages could also cause you to be down on power.
Also keep in mind that larger displacement (in this case 383) will tend to squeeze the operating RPM.
A cam designed to peak at 6200 for a 350 will peak much lower (5600ish) in a 383.
very well be off +/- 6* which would cause a significant loss of power up top.
Overtightened rockers, gaskets protruding into the passages could also cause you to be down on power.
Also keep in mind that larger displacement (in this case 383) will tend to squeeze the operating RPM.
A cam designed to peak at 6200 for a 350 will peak much lower (5600ish) in a 383.
Last edited by James Montigny; 09-11-2008 at 11:18 AM.
#20
Alright, I did a compression test and everything looked good to me. All cylinders came in between 195 and 225.
I have a call into my machine shop to verify that they degreed the cam. But I am planning on pulling the timing cover this week to take a look anyway.
I am going to attempt to put an old version of free scan on my laptop and get some map and maf readings for you guys.
Thanks for the help.
I have a call into my machine shop to verify that they degreed the cam. But I am planning on pulling the timing cover this week to take a look anyway.
I am going to attempt to put an old version of free scan on my laptop and get some map and maf readings for you guys.
Thanks for the help.
#23
i wouldn't be too bummed, i had the same issues with my 94 camaro w/ 396. 355hp and 381tq on a dynojet. A few months later I dynoed on a mustang dyno and get 345/365. The only mods i did before the mustang dyno runs was replacing the slp loudmouth w/stainless works chambered muffler to a magnaflow catback and a cutout. I have the CC306 and it peaked at the same RPMS as yours did. The car has run strong for 15K and never skipped a beat.
my buddys 02 Z 6sp dynoed at 389 and 376 on the same dynojet dyno with only mild thrunder racing cam,CAI, longtubes, catback w/cutout and 4.10s. We raced on DR's froma roll, still beat him by a car length while not hooking up in 1st or 2nd with 315 goodyear DR's. So i knew the car was perfroming near what it should.
Even with what i thought were crappy #'s i still did 133mph in the half mile at the sandhills open road challenge, same as an 06 mustang GT with the saleen SC.
get out there and take it to the track, you won't be dissapointed!
my buddys 02 Z 6sp dynoed at 389 and 376 on the same dynojet dyno with only mild thrunder racing cam,CAI, longtubes, catback w/cutout and 4.10s. We raced on DR's froma roll, still beat him by a car length while not hooking up in 1st or 2nd with 315 goodyear DR's. So i knew the car was perfroming near what it should.
Even with what i thought were crappy #'s i still did 133mph in the half mile at the sandhills open road challenge, same as an 06 mustang GT with the saleen SC.
get out there and take it to the track, you won't be dissapointed!
#24
MAP and AFR above 5500rpms?
i wouldn't be too bummed, i had the same issues with my 94 camaro w/ 396. 355hp and 381tq on a dynojet. A few months later I dynoed on a mustang dyno and get 345/365. The only mods i did before the mustang dyno runs was replacing the slp loudmouth w/stainless works chambered muffler to a magnaflow catback and a cutout. I have the CC306 and it peaked at the same RPMS as yours did. The car has run strong for 15K and never skipped a beat.
my buddys 02 Z 6sp dynoed at 389 and 376 on the same dynojet dyno with only mild thrunder racing cam,CAI, longtubes, catback w/cutout and 4.10s. We raced on DR's froma roll, still beat him by a car length while not hooking up in 1st or 2nd with 315 goodyear DR's. So i knew the car was perfroming near what it should.
Even with what i thought were crappy #'s i still did 133mph in the half mile at the sandhills open road challenge, same as an 06 mustang GT with the saleen SC.
get out there and take it to the track, you won't be dissapointed!
my buddys 02 Z 6sp dynoed at 389 and 376 on the same dynojet dyno with only mild thrunder racing cam,CAI, longtubes, catback w/cutout and 4.10s. We raced on DR's froma roll, still beat him by a car length while not hooking up in 1st or 2nd with 315 goodyear DR's. So i knew the car was perfroming near what it should.
Even with what i thought were crappy #'s i still did 133mph in the half mile at the sandhills open road challenge, same as an 06 mustang GT with the saleen SC.
get out there and take it to the track, you won't be dissapointed!
That being said. What is your A/F above 5500rpms? My SVO #30 INJ leaned out bad after 5400 rpms. I just can't believe that those injectors would be holding you around a 13.0 +/- .2 above 5500 rpms based on my own testing on a wideband with my car that has a similar set up with less lift in the cam.
Also I agree with the MAP statement above too. See what your MAP readings are above 5500rpms. I bet somewhere BTW the MAP and AFR you’ll find your culprit. That's where my problem was when I was traping 87.5mph and am now traping 91mph consistently in the 1/8th with a few more bugs to work out in the tune and shift points(not to bad for a little of the shelf grind).
Just a word of encouragement. Take this as a hobby. The difference with folks who run great times and folks who don't regardless of the set up are the folks who run the good times have spent a lot of time figuring out and fixing the numerous little things that make that set up max out it's potential. Yes there are a few folks that get everything set up correctly the first time out and are kinda lucky if you ask me and yes some set ups just won't run but those are far and few in between. G/L and post up the answers to these questions and we'll get you on the right track.
#26
Check the link below to keep this on track with the original question posted by the OP. I think it will answer your question sufficiently.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=647907
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=647907
#28
I have the same compression, about the same heads..and a little bigger of a cam....I put down the numbers below. Did you throw a scanner on it and see whats going on? Fuel pressure ,etc... all that jazz...my first dyno on my new motor i put down 389rwhp and was pretty pissed...it ended up being it was running a bit rich and had a lot of false knock. Dig deeper, you should be 405-415 rwhp'ish
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