No that would be the 1Le cars.

I meant regular production.

Welcome! I just wanted to say I love the handling of my IROC, plus I got the hood and the wing off a 92 Z-28... best of both worlds I guess (except i don't have a 350 ). Anyway, just wanted to say, you can get an IROC and find a 91-92 wing and hood (actually the hoods were all the same just different louvers **sp?**, they'll change out w/o a prob.) in a salvage yard somewhere. I hope this helps.

lata man

Daniel

Exactly, this whole area is MUSTANG COUNTRY. And dont go thinking the L98 can handle 95% of lexingtons stangs becaus ive seen some NASTY A$$ 5.0s and Cobras out there... LOL!! They may be rednecks, but rednecks can BUILD 'dem darn fords up'.

And dont worry about handling between the iroc and Z28. "If" the iroc handles ANY better at all then a 1991/92 Z i promise its a hair of a difference. My 1991 Z28 handled better then my 4thgeneration LS1. But neither one is anything to brag about... If you want a car becaus of handling, get some type of import. If you want to go FAST get a a camaro. Preferably a 1991/92 Z28 but i doubt you will find one and if you do the chances of it being in decent shape is SLIM.... Ive also been looking for another 1991/92 Z28 and have had NO luck.... If you have AOL i might have some pictures of my old 1991 Z, im pretty sure if u see them u will be sold ont he 1991/92 models..



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5% tint, black outs, BowTie Grill

301.3rwhp
311.0torque

Willie - You may have one quick 305, but you'd be AT LEAST .5 faster with the 350 - and oh yeah, you'd have saved more money too.

Marc,

I agree with you, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Look at this in terms of the other guy. It's harder to swallow being slower than my 305 than if I'd had a 350. It's far more impressive to own a smaller displacement engine, especially one with a reputation of being "slow", and to make it scream. Case in point: I raced an extremely nice looking 1970 440 Cuda at the track earlier this year. Bright metallic blue with a white hockey stripe pronouncing "440". His plates read "1 BAD FSH" (fish). It was all-original in appearance but he'd modified the engine. It was a beautiful car. How do you think he felt when I came off the line quicker, pulled away and couldn't catch me? How do you you think I felt? Pretty darn good.... I talked to him afterwards and he did not believe me when I told him it was a 305.

I want to keep my car as a daily-driver and emissions legal. If I was any faster, I'd need a roll cage which is not the intent of my car. So if I owned a 350 and was presumably faster, I would not be able to run at the track.

There are as many opinions out there as there are people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going with a 350 BUT there is also absolutely nothing wrong with going with a 305. My point is I did not wish to follow the masses. I wanted to do something different and prove I could be successful at it. I think I've accomplished my goal.

Willie

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What exaclty is the "wonderbar" everyone keeps refering to? Also, am I reading correctly that 91-92 RS's had a 21mm rear swaybar and the older Iroc's had a 24mm swaybar?

GregM

What I'm looking for is something a little faster and better handling than the 90 Mustang GT I used to have. It doesn't have to breathe blue fire out of the exhaust and pull 2 G's, but something around 300 hp and that can pull .9something g's is perfect. I figured the 350 TPI IROC or Z28 was a GREAT starting point and would go from there. Someone else on here had mentioned I'd be better getting an IROC and putting the wing on it. That's probably the best bet since I know you're right about the 91/92's being nonexistant in good shape. BTW I drove by the area a while ago and now there are a bunch of import guys hanging in that little mattress store parking lot just down the road. They're even funnier than the mustang/truck crowd. There was one hot girl standing up out there though.

I agree about the 305. I traded in my 92 '305 for a 2001 Z28, and the 5.7's really do make a difference whether you're driving a 3rd or 4th generation car. You'll also have much better aftermarket options with a 350. Before deciding on a 3rd gen, my advice is to first see if you can get a used '93-97 f-body with an LT1 though. A stock LT1 packs around 285 hp and you can get them for pretty cheap.

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2001 Sunset Orange Z28

1992 Camaro RS 305 Anniversary edition
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Any later model 3rdgen will handle better then a 5.0 Mustang. If i were you, id go for a 91/92Z over the Iroc if possible. its gonna be tough finding either car in decent shape. More so the 91/92Zs. Im just telling you, Irocs have NOTHING over 1991/92s Z28s but the optional mullett wigs to wear while driving them... (joke)

hehe, the 1991+ Z28s were rated at 245rwhp and 350rwtq bone stock. The irocs were rated at like 15 less hp and torque. My L98 with just a flowmaster muffler, no cats, and a gutted air box dynoed at 360something torque and 250ish hp with 140K miles on it.

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Lid, Exhaust, Gears/HPP3.
5% tint, black outs, BowTie Grill

301.3rwhp
311.0torque

No it didn't. The IROC has a completely different suspension setup. It's got much stiffer springs, different shocks/struts (bilstein), much fatter sway bars, 1.5 degrees more caster than the Z28, stiffer sway bar bushings and the wonderbar. An IROC will handle circles around an RS. On a personal note, I was following a kid in his 91 RS and couldn't believe how much body roll his car had around a particular corner. His tires were squealing and I swear he was about to spin out. My car didn't even lean around the corner.



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Nope, IROC-Z's handle better and weigh less. They hit the highest G's and had a lighter int. (except in 90) and smaller GFX and things. 91-92 Z28's have a pretty much unoticable power increase with the more difficult for mods Speed Density, although a good system if you know what you're doing. (that goes for anything actually) Here's the top model numbers just for curiosity. And I agree with 85IROC.

87-IROC-Z 350: 225HP and 330TQ
88-IROC-Z 350: 230HP and 330TQ
89-IROC-Z 350: 240HP and 345TQ
90-IROC-Z 350: 245HP and 345TQ
91-Z28 350: 245HP and 345TQ
92-Z28 350: 245HP and 345TQ


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WHat is the huge difference in the suspension between the 1991/92 Z28 and the previous Irocs then?
I remember when i replaces the 'entire' front suspension on my 1991 Z28. When i was putting all the new stuff on i had a friends 1989 Iroc over so i could see how everything was supposed to go and visually it was exactly the same. I dont think the power ratings from 1990-1991 are any more differnt then the chasis.

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Lid, Exhaust, Gears/HPP3.
5% tint, black outs, BowTie Grill

301.3rwhp
311.0torque

The IROCs don't weigh less, and they have the exact same ground effects as the Z28s (well, at least for the years that they were both offered).

Kamaro, I'm not real familiar with the 91-2 cars, but as far as I know, they had a suspension more similar to the earlier Z28s and not the IROCs. I believe that their ride hight came back up 1/2" above the IROC, and they had softer springs & shocks/struts, and smaller sway bars. . I don't believe they came with the bilsteins. I'm NOT sure of this though, because I'm not terribly familiar with the 91-2 cars. I do know that they didn't come with the wonderbar.



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no difference other than the wonder bar.....easily fixed for a few bucks if you want. although, i didn't notice any difference when i added mine; mind you i rebuilt the whole suspension......maybe on a stock worn suspension it might have shown. who knows.

as far as ride height, the 91-92 z28 is the same stock for stock with the iroc if not lower just because of such a drastic gfx package.......in other words spring rates were the same for the 350 v8 models.

it's all a matter of preference, do you want the classic iroc look or the revamped 91-92 style? the 1-le option car is the only one that will handle better than a stock iroc/z28......update your worn suspension and you won't even notice the difference.

HOrse****. the advertiesed numbers were for flywheel hp, and most l98s dyno around 215 or so hp (maybe more, maybe little less depending on state of tune).

Also the 88-90 irocs were just as qucik as a 91-92 z28. hell the 90 irocs lb9 and l98 are identical to the ones in the 91-92 z28's. And to think people come here for information....