91 RX-7 vs 88 iroc
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on a realistic scale, you would have a car that drives nice. than you do a motor swap with a stock lt1. the money that it would take to make a 3rd gen hang in overall performance would be about the same as the swap itself. but now you have a STOCK engine in a car, gets killer gas mileage, and hauls the mail quite well. plus, they are sleeper as hell with a good exhaust! I love my camaro dearly, but my dad's rx7 is about the funnest car i have ever driven.
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i like beggers, they are humble people.
how close are you going to get that 3rd gen to 50/50 weight dist? cause an LS1 makes it barely tail heavy, and an LT1 makes it barely nose heavy. going to get it down to 2500lbs easy? what about that rear end? think it'll outperform an IRS?
i think a 3rd gen, with enough money may come close, but RX7's have so much aftermarket in suspension its not funny, there is a reason most the cars you will see at an SCCA event are RX7's.
how close are you going to get that 3rd gen to 50/50 weight dist? cause an LS1 makes it barely tail heavy, and an LT1 makes it barely nose heavy. going to get it down to 2500lbs easy? what about that rear end? think it'll outperform an IRS?
i think a 3rd gen, with enough money may come close, but RX7's have so much aftermarket in suspension its not funny, there is a reason most the cars you will see at an SCCA event are RX7's.
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my rx7 weighs at 2875 with little over half a tank with all smog equipment. and has almost 50/50. Don't mean to rant on this at all, I just would like to see another person save a 7 from the simple and boring lives that rotaries tend to live.
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And the F-body chassis has just as much of a suspension aftermarket as the RX-7 does. The RX-7 has a huge weight advantage, IRS, and a near perfect weight balance and still the F-body has been pushed further in terms of handling capability than the RX-7 has. And they began doing it back in the late 60s, before the rotary even ran... Many Amercian Sedan prepped 3rd gen Camaros have seen over 1.3G!
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On one hand we have an IROC Camaro. A car that will be worth something in a few more years, and only go up from there. On the other we have a import Mazda p.o.s. 
Oh and spare me the imports arn't really imports garbage.
Oh and spare me the imports arn't really imports garbage.
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That was most likely an R2 model, or maybe an R1, but not your standard 3rd gen RX-7.
And the F-body chassis has just as much of a suspension aftermarket as the RX-7 does. The RX-7 has a huge weight advantage, IRS, and a near perfect weight balance and still the F-body has been pushed further in terms of handling capability than the RX-7 has. And they began doing it back in the late 60s, before the rotary even ran... Many Amercian Sedan prepped 3rd gen Camaros have seen over 1.3G!
And the F-body chassis has just as much of a suspension aftermarket as the RX-7 does. The RX-7 has a huge weight advantage, IRS, and a near perfect weight balance and still the F-body has been pushed further in terms of handling capability than the RX-7 has. And they began doing it back in the late 60s, before the rotary even ran... Many Amercian Sedan prepped 3rd gen Camaros have seen over 1.3G!
I just read that info that I posted on some other message board.
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ok someone show me where IROC's are going to start appreciating in value and why...hell, you guys are almost as bad as C4 vette owners wanting 15k for their "low mileage" 89 TPI's.
its people like you that judge a book by its cover, or in this instance, a car by its badging that show their true ignorance....so what, its an import...im actually proud to drive it, it's a unique car. nice little carb'd LQ4 scoots, and because its so light, that cam only setup thats making 415rwhp is shoving this 2500lb car all around. i'd drive this over any IROC or 4th gen (for the exception of an 4.5G WS6)
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okay, before this gets into a complete pissing contest over american vs import at this point I will just make some clear points:
1. After going through the rx7 and figuring out many things and tieing in the ls1 setup to the car I realized how well designed a vehicle it is. great structure, weight savings where possible, killer fit and finish.
2. I have dealt with 3rd gen camaros, which are known to be rattle traps, have never been known for fit and finish, and could never even be approached with the idea of being over-engineered. I love my 4th gen dearly, but am fully aware it is the leftovers of a 3rd gen
3. There is an aftermarket for both cars. both well established.
1. After going through the rx7 and figuring out many things and tieing in the ls1 setup to the car I realized how well designed a vehicle it is. great structure, weight savings where possible, killer fit and finish.
2. I have dealt with 3rd gen camaros, which are known to be rattle traps, have never been known for fit and finish, and could never even be approached with the idea of being over-engineered. I love my 4th gen dearly, but am fully aware it is the leftovers of a 3rd gen
3. There is an aftermarket for both cars. both well established.
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ok someone show me where IROC's are going to start appreciating in value and why...hell, you guys are almost as bad as C4 vette owners wanting 15k for their "low mileage" 89 TPI's.
its people like you that judge a book by its cover, or in this instance, a car by its badging that show their true ignorance....so what, its an import...im actually proud to drive it, it's a unique car. nice little carb'd LQ4 scoots, and because its so light, that cam only setup thats making 415rwhp is shoving this 2500lb car all around. i'd drive this over any IROC or 4th gen (for the exception of an 4.5G WS6)
its people like you that judge a book by its cover, or in this instance, a car by its badging that show their true ignorance....so what, its an import...im actually proud to drive it, it's a unique car. nice little carb'd LQ4 scoots, and because its so light, that cam only setup thats making 415rwhp is shoving this 2500lb car all around. i'd drive this over any IROC or 4th gen (for the exception of an 4.5G WS6)
Oh and I don't care if it has 8,000 hp and does the quarter mile in 4 seconds. Whoopdity doo, the point is it's a Mazda.....
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just take note of the value of your 3rd gen and how they are dime a dozen. or how a 1998 camaro z28 can be found for somewhere around 6500. compare to a 1995 FD rx7, which is considered somewhat exotic, which still are priced in the 8000 range. maybe in 25 years we will be able to see what the value of a 4th gen or 3rd gen sits at. but at this point, i would take a rx7 over a 3rd gen. just my opinion.
and a commentregarding "it is made in america". at this point more of toyota's products are made in america than gm's. GM is moving a lot of their production to canada so that they can save $1400 per car from health care costs. just food for thought.
and a commentregarding "it is made in america". at this point more of toyota's products are made in america than gm's. GM is moving a lot of their production to canada so that they can save $1400 per car from health care costs. just food for thought.
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Originally Posted by Pneumatic_Tire
Oh and I don't care if it has 8,000 hp and does the quarter mile in 4 seconds. Whoopdity doo, the point is it's a Mazda.....
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...it hasnt started appreciating since it was driven off the lot, why would it start now? you have no factual evidence to support your claim. since your the one who made the initial statement, you are the one with the burden to show me that there is a logical and factual reason that what you say is true...not just because the car is a "collectors car" and it has "history". mustangs have been around forever...you dont see fox bodies appreciating in value.
at 8000hp, and 4 seconds, there really is no resembling anything other then a fiberglass chassis with some decals. so there goes your theory. but at the same time, you reiterate my statement about gross ignorance. you cant appreciate a fast car that was put together well...to you it has to be a 3rd gen mulleteer with a useless 305 TBI setup and you think it should be worth its weight in gold. your a joke to racing and its betterment. your just another waxer with a sad excuse for a lame opinion.
at 8000hp, and 4 seconds, there really is no resembling anything other then a fiberglass chassis with some decals. so there goes your theory. but at the same time, you reiterate my statement about gross ignorance. you cant appreciate a fast car that was put together well...to you it has to be a 3rd gen mulleteer with a useless 305 TBI setup and you think it should be worth its weight in gold. your a joke to racing and its betterment. your just another waxer with a sad excuse for a lame opinion.
Take a look at how much F-bod's and older Stangs are being sold for. Then look at your run of the mill rx7. Which one is going for more?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...spagenameZWDVW
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Huh.. the only trend I see here is the mazda having ZERO appreciation, and the IROC seems to have appreciated quite a bit
Maybe I'm missing the point of this conversation 
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1, the car is in perfect conditon,
2, its a convertible,
3, low mileage.
4, th epossiblity of it being a rare limited promotional car,
Means the car was never really used for it's purpose as a car and that it's value will be high no matter what. When you hear of a Camaro 3rd gen, you don't think of a 350 Convertible with less than 20,000 miles. You think of rusted V6 model with 130,000+ miles. And those Rx-7s you put up are liek , pure crap. None of them are in as good condition as the "Marlboro", or have as little miles, or even anywhere near the rarity of a Convertible.
You put up 2 real used 3rd gens, and both of them are are being sold at around $4000. Let's find a real RX-7 1 of 2000some made model and compare it then.
2, its a convertible,
3, low mileage.
4, th epossiblity of it being a rare limited promotional car,
Means the car was never really used for it's purpose as a car and that it's value will be high no matter what. When you hear of a Camaro 3rd gen, you don't think of a 350 Convertible with less than 20,000 miles. You think of rusted V6 model with 130,000+ miles. And those Rx-7s you put up are liek , pure crap. None of them are in as good condition as the "Marlboro", or have as little miles, or even anywhere near the rarity of a Convertible.
You put up 2 real used 3rd gens, and both of them are are being sold at around $4000. Let's find a real RX-7 1 of 2000some made model and compare it then.