PGM 82355 I apologize neither can follow along. That said I will post your name when I speak to each of you.
PGM B>S on your heavier thought here's why if the block was thick as you like to think it is then it would easily take the boring of the 350 which we all know is impossible due to water jackets.
As for the 5#'s how absurd would it be if your wife lost them and said hun I am a light weight?
I mentioned sleeving only due to three things first you mentioned 305 not 302. Second the 302 was a great enginew plgued with crank problems namely they wore out fast and ate bearings. Not exactly an ideal race motor even though it wound good and won some races to many DNF"S fpr me cant afford to risk the same problems. I try to get a season out of my motor at least. If it was a street motor I know this would come up it'd be built a little different but then it wouldn't usually run at its max either so. 3 it would be more feasible then #2. Which I explained not a good idea when a little more life is expected.Plus I usuallly end a season only needing to replace minor components not cranks as a whole. Cutting the crank down to the size suggestion is kind of a real weak link point.
Yes you could argue the same for the 400 stroker but it has alot more meat to it then the 350's
82355 you are correct what can I say absolutely right you never said that at all.

 

WTF?

 

It's carried-on bs from another thread^

 

No need to start another flame thread. Stick to the original.

Martin

 

As a matter of respect for the original poster it is neccessary. Would you like to spend all day reading a thread aimed at you ideas for not building a motor in a thread you created that has been taken over by a few people on a stroker motor.
Me neither he was looking for advice not us.
So here works great.

 

Its not about the stroker. 305s suck.

Martin

 

Hmmmmm..... Wasn't long ago that you stated the stroker did as well. You now saying it may not? Doubt it but hey if you ask me anything without a v-8 sucks but yet we see others running out there as well.

 

Not to my knowledge Last I looked it's still a SBC.

 

what is the point of all this rambling.

if you want to do a 334, do it. knock urself out. prove to the world that 334s do not suck.

 

No love for the GN or TTA? There are many non V8 engines that are far superior to the 305.

Martin

 

Your posts are so poorly written, I admit that I do find them very hard to follow.
I didn't say the cyl. walls were thicker. I said that the DECK had more mass with a smaller bore. Take two identical slabs of iron and bore a 4" hole in one and a 3.736" hole in the other. Which is lighter after they are drilled? (Clue for the clueless: the bigger the hole, the more mass you take out!) I can't make it any more simple to understand than that.

Or, if you're so sure that a 305 is lighter, why don't YOU explain where the weight savings are, or weigh both engines?
Personal attacks do nothing to support your claims.
Go back and read what I wrote more carefully. I said that a 350 block bored .020 over with a 3" crank displaced 305ci. I mentioned this because you brought up 5L classes and because the guy in that other thread wanted to say he had 305ci. This motor would have much more potential than a 3.7x6" 305/334.
The 302's bore/stroke config. is shared by Ford's 302. Somehow, those motors can make tons of power and hold together, why can't an SBC do the same? Manufacturing and material problems that GM had in the late 60's are of little consequence today. This could be done with aftermarket stuff.

And I never said to grind a 3.48" crank down. Why, when you can buy a nice forged 3.00" crank for sbc?

 

No love for the GN or TTA? There are many non V8 engines that are far superior to the 305.

True as far as ORIGINAL configurations are concerned. 305's have a bad rep because they were introduced in the mid 70s as a smog motor and were never able to shed this reputation. That being said, most people do not realize that 305's can be built as much as any other SBC. But instead, they are almost always replaced with a 350, partly due to the 350's excellent reputation. However, the 305 can be built just like any other SBC with good results. I'm one of the purists who wanted to keep my original 305 and build it to disprove what others like you believe, that "305s suck". Try mid-10s with a 3900-pound IROC-Z (with me in it) powered by an emissions legal 305 running only 14-psig boost.

 

PGM 1st let get something straight I did not attack you. but caught your attention which was to help make you think more but not an attack. If you took it as an attack well it wasn't meant that way. So dont take it that way.
Now yes the 302 SBC had material problems but there are other problems with it not just the material. I hate to even say this but well at least it is the truth you can not compare a g.m bottom end to anyone elses because they have weak links. By this I mean a ford seems to love not having oil pressure. Every truck I had that wore a ford emblem always had a aftermarket oil pressure guage in it and they seem to rest somewhere around 15 #'s ( I had one that had less then the needles width from 0 showing and the darn thing still drove itself to the crusher.) Yes the gauge worked. None of my chevies could run as long as they did with that low of a reading. If were are going to compare chevy to ford then why is it a 350 is needed to beat a 4.65 or 5.0 Ford?
The cost of the 350 destroked is more then what the 334 build is and that was presumed too expensive by some. Also why on earth would I want to expose myself to more tear downs over a cast #?
Also At this point in the game I can kick the pants of a 302. May not be legal but were are not discussing that. The 302 cant make near the amount of numbers as the 334 did for me on the dyno without increasing what I already am running form the parts bin. Why? It is due to cubic inches. 32 dont seem like much but 45 dont seem any different from either motors stock settings.. It could be made to so but I have neither the will to change what is already working, nor the ambition to. . Though been thinking seriously of dropping the stroker and going back to just the 305, but not over the fact it didn't work or wasn't effective.
Also let us consider blown egos by guys running 350's (didnt say stroked either) ford 302's whether stock or modified saying I was beat you or saying what did you say was in that? I think you see the whole point. I myself love different things as well. Why do you think the Monte Carlo has a small enough motor in it to make most guys cry from laughing when I offer to race and see them pout afterwards? Or listen to how they could have beat me by more.
Also PGM they are not written as bad as you may think read your errors as much as you do mine then complain o.k?
Once again stuck on the light weight part? Need to read top. See that was done in pun to try to get even you to laugh but only this time.

 

Tell you what for the money you spend on them I personally would say stupid buy a blower or supercharger and run against it.
The 3.8 liter has a very nasty habit habit of eating bearings. Now adding a turbe to it stops it's problem? Yeah it makes some great power but will pass. As for what it is worth yes great cars but hell Didnt see the svo mustang or turbo coupe listed either in your thoughts or even a super coupe which only has abad head gasket problem at least fixable without buying a whole motor to start over. See the point here factory 6 cyl and a few four with ***** yes but in reality nothing I would care to drive.
Also for the record I love any v-8 even your hot 355 you tagged your name after in the 82. Never did state where you reside maybe I can bore you to death one of these time's at a event near you. WITH my 305.

 

Go to original thread this debate started at titled 350 l98 worth it or not read I already have built one or should say bought one awhile back 1992 as far as that goes and well if still confused as to the debate here then shhhhhhh we have problems already.