zjr

FWIW I know you were and yet he correct the 305 block is a lighter light on the weight not much but in the end is it sill lighter? So how could it be untrue.

zjr

Please do so take all the time needed. Yes take the time to properly research the idea before sticking you *** in the sand. OOPs term was head up your *** or was that in the sand either way point was made.
Your truly dont understand yet either then do you?


If I take a 305 stroke it and move power from it's low life from it was and end up with more in the area that works what this to understand?
Please tell me ohhh great one.
Did I do something wrong to when achieved this, or just wrong in your view point? If it is your intention to tell me motor combo is junk then back it the FAWK up.
I can and have run in yes the 5l class and yes I have broke a few rules but then so has half the field I am against so please give me your engine building and hot racing info because I have been doing it wrong now for several years and need someone to take me by the hand and show me my errors.
If you raced as much and screwed motors together half as much as you claim and prove these to me (which by the way I can produce any documents on my car and it's build FWIW) then I will consider you the master.
In my class we used to put up with stuff such as *******s grinding and stamping new numbers to several different block's to show it as a 305.
I have been doing what I do know for several years only because several reasons none of which I will deny or justify thats racing as the term is said loosely.. But here they are:
1) if it is 5l class action should I be faulted for not doing so. Almost all the others are.
2 )why should I be given a field disadvantage.
None of which I feel I have to tell you because I dont and wont see you in the 5l classes.

Answer them 1st legitimately and I may consider different strategies but till then dont brain wash people into the thought of a 305 stroker not working or by far not worth it.

As for the comment on the 350 being turned down to make a 305 think it over before giving useless info such as that.
First you'd have to sleeve the cylinder down to the 305.
The crank of the 305 is almost Identical as that of a 350. Because they BOTH share a 3" inch bore. Even more so in later years. Yes look at it closer there strokes are the same. You'd have to grind it down farther then you proposed which would leave you with a 307 or 283 not a 305 these are the small journal motor's 305 350 and 400 are what? Good answer large journals.
Dont believe me look hell if too lazy google it. Thats why a 400 crank produces 340 in the 307 has more room it can run up the cylinder get it small but a lager bore..
Here is a prime example for you and have done it on other stroker's but not my 334..... The 305 350 share same parts and interchange. I can literally take my 334 crank and swap it into the 350 for 383 if I choose.
Only reason to be leery of a 305 crank over a 350 is the guess?












Strength. Yes the 305 crank isn't as strong a but only on certain years. It has a two piece cast and you easily spot it if looking at it.
If still unsure rub a penny across the journal or spout if you prefer.. Can you tell me why one crank will have a copper spot on it and not both? Or at least tell me which crank will have a copper spot?



Hmmmmmm who is the idiot now?
83 yes you were right with my attitude and knowledge I just may belong here instead thanx.


Give a man time and he will hang himself once proof is shown against what he dont believe.

82355

Still you apparently, I never said that. As for the cranks between a 305 and a 350, yes they have the same stroke (3.480"), but they are different. They have different counterweights to make up for the "massive" amount of weight diffeerence between a 305 and a 350 that makes the 305 so much better.

Martin

pgm

It is not lighter. It is theoretically slightly heavier. Think about an sbc with a 1" bore and all the extra iron that would be required on the deck and at the base of the cylinder. A smaller bore means more iron around the cylinder. I have explained this numerous times and if you can't visualize this then quit embarrassing yourself.

There may be variations in the castings of both 305 and 350 throughout the years, but on average, the 305 would be slightly heavier.

Even if it were 5lbs lighter, to call it "light weight" is absurd.

Nobody ever suggested such an idiotic thing as sleeving a 350 block to 305. Apparently only you would ever think of doing such a thing. I am quite well aware that 305 and 350 strokes are the same, but what the hell SBC has a 3" bore? I said that it is better to run a 302-like engine and scrap the 305, ie 4" bore with 3" stroke.

If nothing else, please try and direct your comments at the right person from now on.

zjr

Hmmm two complete idiots cant believe my eyes.
Are either one of you two related?

So I guess I'll start a new thread labeled 334 chevy and why not.
See you there. Anyone else sorry this turned into a 6 page post over nothing being proven against what is a good combo.

82355

No, not really, I don't even take aspirin, but hey what ever you need to tell yourself.

Kieth Black makes quality products, but they are not the greatest pistons in the world, especially since they are hypereutectic as opposed to forged.

I never said there is anything wrong with Hot Rod or Car Craft. In fact I used to have a subscribtion to each, and read them religiously. I am just saying you can't just read about something and be an expert, you have to actually do some of it too.



I am not going to lie, your complete lack of grasping the English language makes that a little hard to understand. I think you are trying to say "with the correct components a 305 can be made to flow descently. Yes the displacement of a 305 sucks, that is why I stroked it, to improve it"

Well that's fine and dandy, but with the same parts on a 350 you would of made much more power and flowed even more air. Even with out the stroker crank in the 350 it would of done better. Actually it would of done much better because of being an undersquare engine as opposed to the oversquare 3.746 x 3.750 stroked 305.


You need to work on using commas. It would make your garble much easier to read. I don't have a bald spot. If I did I am pretty sure I wouldn't care if you made fun of it. Making fun of my physical appearance seems irrelevant. . . . .



Once again, the relevancy??? Besides that, what is wrong with a little masturbation?

So . . . . . two childish insults . . . . no rebuttal . . . . . well at least I don't have to read through any spelling or grammatical errors that way.

Well you drive up here and pick it up, and I will give you a 350. I have a few bare blocks out in the shop and I have a 350 short block in the box of a '75 K20. Hell, I even have a reringed 350 sitting on an old tire out in the shop.

I think you are saying everyone on this board has or will rebuild an engine. I highly doubt that. No I am not an expert, but I do realize the shortcomings of the 305. Why does skipping the build of a 305 make me biased? I chose not to because there were always superior alternatives. Building a different engine, just to be different seems really stupid to me. Who would I be trying to prove a point too??? So I know nothing about nothing besides valve shrouding huh? Okay . . . . .



You stil haven't figured out that simple joke yet have you? Do you need me to explain it to you? If so, maybe you should take some remedial classes. Grade school is calling your (not you're) name.


You didn't catch that one either huh? He messed up the figure of speech. he mixed two together, and it came out a garbled mess. Then again, it is very similar to all of your typing, so I suppose it made sence to you.

82355

Well I am excited for you. What club is that? Thirdgen.org I suppose? I know 305s suck, and I am proud of that.

Your (you own these little add ins) little add ins are so cute.

So, you are agreeing that there is no noticeable weight difference between a 305 and a 350? That is the thing your buddy keeps saying that is about the stupidest.

The truth is in the eye of the beholder??? No it isn't. You are thinking of opinions. I know people who have tried souping up 305s, but never anyone that has disassembled and rebuilt a 305 for performance reasons. Hell I owned a '90 IROC-Z with a 305 TPI and a T5. It had a cam and a few other things, and I did a few small modifications. I never messed with the engine though. It would of been a waste of time.

I didn't say anything about perfect. I did try to show him the imperfections of the 305 though.

No, I have no desire to drive to Texas to watch some mediocre third gen run. I can see that anywhere.

My point is, then why mess with the 305???

Another nice little add in. I guarantee you scrap iron is bringing good money there too. It is bringing good money all over the US. China is buying the stuff like there is no tommorow, but we are not going to get in an economics debate here. For one, it is irrelevant, and two, I don't want to stress your brain.

I don't need to run anything. I have seen lots of people run 305s. None of them have impressed me.

Martin

zjr

Seeing this isnt our post and this is going alot longer then it should I feel we should be polite and move. It would be much more respectful for a guy wanting some ideas then us wasting his and everyone elses time reading a post dealing none other then mods he isnt interested in. Kind of makes us all asses for doing so dont you think?

That said here goes no I dont belong to any other camaro group. I only own 1 f-body pain in the ***. It is running a stroked BB for starters and cost of running it is outrageous. I will give you these hints 83 had the car before me. I found a liking to it and guess what when we were together in the service it became mine. So guess you figured that out right? A little history he ran a camaro at orange county. It was a 10.2 ,126 mph car in the 1/4er. Fast enough to be tossed out for not having a cage that we rectified by the next outing. Forgot to mention this was in mid 80's as well As a junkyard untuned car, definitely our first outing.
I also want to apologize for being in a hurry earlier and mis posting the stroke of the 305 350. It is 3.48". Was trying to get out to deer camp.
Anyways glad you like my add ins. They are fun. And aimed at being fun not offensive.
Any engine is what you personally make of it. Find it's faults and work from there each has some and even handicapped they can be worked out.
Nothing said that leads you to believe that I would agree with you yet is there well there is a slight difference in weght yes noticeable only if that is what want to think. 5# to you may be 100 to your wife one can never judge espacially if you are tossing as much weight as you can off the car, That said I would have to say in common sense gee yes there is no difference.
We disagree once again, opinions are like well you get the idea. Truth is whatever you want it to mean to you. Example preachers tell you the truth (in their eyes) that Jesus lives. It is up to you to decide if that is a truth for you. (Note quickest idea that came to mind to help explain so offense was not aimed, nor religion denied, pushed, and or mocked.
As for wasting your time then that was your opinion not the truth.
Imperfections of the 305 are like among everything else full of them. Heard all I wanted to hear about the valves being shrouded. Even read on a post stating something about afr heads and such and by way 83 does have them I gave em to him when we partied (raced at) martin in Mich. So Texas isn't only place I run read a few other threads of mine since joining.
I say play with whatever makes you happy. Yes a stock 350 uses almost same amount of gas as 305 but when the fun comes which do you think does better on mileage. How many grins do you think people have looking at something besides another 350 combo of some kind and what makes you think that I cant run with anything bigger then the class I am in? You yourself are knocking a combo that you say is weak all across the board but yet never even been near one.

O.k onward to the post or drop it here because as stated this is a little rude of us.