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1992 Z28 Convertible5.7 ????

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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin91Z
Madmax on thirdgen.org has a factory 1989 Trans Am GTA 350 convertible. Believe him, or not.
All I can go by is my experience trying to get one in the 80's/early 90's and GM who says it never happened and tons of info all over the web, including on TGO.....not calling this guy a liar, just saying that I have never heard of or seen an actual GM built 350 convertible........it is possible and I have seen 350 hardtops turned into verts by aftermarket companies.......but none from GM itself.......unless they did it like they did with the 350 t-top situation for 91-92 and outsourced those from the dealer end before they were put on the lots for sale........that is a possibility as well.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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What do you want to see? VIN? Car? Both?



I'm far from the only one to have one of these (just browse thirdgen, you'll find a whole bunch of 350 GTA vert owners). There's also been proof of a Camaro with a 350 that popped up about 6 months to a year ago, I figured it was possible but I had never seen one and then one day there it was. Then there's a bunch of other stuff listed in a link below. I also remember trying to tell people like yourself over 8 years ago on thirdgen.org that these cars exist and everyone said it never happened. Well, I know better. I test drove one off the lot when it was new. I now have one in my garage. Anyway...

Here's an interesting reply to a post for you to read:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...50-post64.html
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax
What do you want to see? VIN? Car? Both?
lol... niether. first of all we were originally discussing the 91-92 style era and it was also CHEVY. much different then pontiac.

GM Chevy division doesn't recognize a camaro convertible with a 350, let alone a 91-92 t-top with one. different years and makes, including pontiac/dealer installed options(ASC for example) and other similar references do not count as if GM says it isn't so it isn't so... does that mean it's worth more or less? only what someone will pay. who knows why they did this, many know that if you want a 350 t-top car pontiac is the way to look as there were many more and the only ones recognized by gm after the 90's.

but if those of you who think otherwise want to keep arguing that's fine, while your at it throw in my 91 ls1 motored car, it's a 350 of sorts and convertible.



regardless of the fact if you have one you have one... gm doesn't recognize the 91-92 chevy camaro convertibles to ever have a 350. that's what we were originally discussing.


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Old Dec 5, 2006 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax
What do you want to see? VIN? Car? Both?
I'm far from the only one to have one of these (just browse thirdgen, you'll find a whole bunch of 350 GTA vert owners). There's also been proof of a Camaro with a 350 that popped up about 6 months to a year ago, I figured it was possible but I had never seen one and then one day there it was. Then there's a bunch of other stuff listed in a link below. I also remember trying to tell people like yourself over 8 years ago on thirdgen.org that these cars exist and everyone said it never happened. Well, I know better. I test drove one off the lot when it was new. I now have one in my garage. Anyway...

Here's an interesting reply to a post for you to read:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...50-post64.html
Weird, I posted but it didn't show up....regardless, no I don't want or need to see either. If you have a real one congrats, but as I said before, I was NOT calling you a liar or calling you out. Why someone had you sign up for this site just to try to make me look foolish is beyond me. I tried to order or buy 350/verts and 350/manuals in the late 80's and was laughed out of numerous dealerships, being told it wasn't possible. Those are MY experiences, can't change em and you posting some pics doesn't alter them either. If there are some out there, then it is another shining example of GM misleading their customers or, maybe more accurately, the right hand not telling the left hand what is going on.

And this is all irrelevant as it still does not address the OP's question about 1992 Z-28 350 verts.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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I registered in May of 1999, take a look. Someone sent me the link, so I came here. Thanks for reminding me why I dont post here.

Anyway, there's zero proof that it never happened. When GM wasnt building 350 convertibles from 87-89, they may have been busy never building 350 convertibles from 91-92.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax
I registered in May of 1999, take a look. Someone sent me the link, so I came here. Thanks for reminding me why I dont post here.

Anyway, there's zero proof that it never happened. When GM wasnt building 350 convertibles from 87-89, they may have been busy never building 350 convertibles from 91-92.
You registered here 7 years ago but didn't post ANYTHING until today? Seems like an odd thing to do (or not do in this case), but no matter, that is what it shows (not that it makes ANY difference). And I am fully aware that someone sent you a link since he mentioned you by name just prior to your posting here and showing your tail end. Now as for your comments about why you don't post here, I fail to see how I was anything but nice, polite and even congratulatory to you on your car. More accurately you are someone who discourages active involvement from people here and no doubt other places as well. It's no wonder you don't want to post here, people are polite and say nice things to you.

And zero proof it never happened? What the heck is that? There is no proof that something didn't happen? That makes about as much sense as watering your lawn in a rainstorm. And your last comment is just full of help & incredibly insightful. Thanks for THAT contribution. For someone who complained about "why he never posts here" you do a great job of making others not want to as well. I would LOVE to know what I did that was remotely impolite, rude, mean, nasty, or even mildly annoying? I posted my experiences, said you seemed to have a nice, rare car, made a point of saying I never disbelieved you nor thought of as being a liar and never called you incorrect and then I made a comment about GM and their lack of continutity/communication between all their dealers and the Corporate offices & manufacturing plants. If that last part riles you up so much then I don't know what to tell you. Considering I am on my 10th F-Body, it isn't like I am bad mouthing GM or these cars.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 09:55 AM
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I've posted here numerous times, probably the database erased them but honestly it doesnt make a bit of difference if I post here or not. I dont know where that is relevant at all but you sure seem to be trying to make a point of it.

Supposedly there arent any 350 Camaro convertibles any years and yet there's a guy who worked at the Livonia plant who has the build sheets of 350 cars that were converted by ASC. About the only reason there wouldnt be any 91-92 350 Camaro convertibles is that there dont seem to be any 350 t-top Camaros those years. Thats about the only proof that exists. All the cars I saw and there are pictures of at ASC are t-top cars. The whole deal with the ASC conversions is about as clear as mud though, so trying to make absolutes with an entirely gray area is pretty dangerous. I can tell you for fact there were some hardtop cars that left Van Nuys with ASC subframe connectors installed on them... seems that they tried to sneak through SCCA with some stiffened up cars with 'factory' installed parts.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax
I've posted here numerous times, probably the database erased them but honestly it doesnt make a bit of difference if I post here or not. I dont know where that is relevant at all but you sure seem to be trying to make a point of it.

Supposedly there arent any 350 Camaro convertibles any years and yet there's a guy who worked at the Livonia plant who has the build sheets of 350 cars that were converted by ASC. About the only reason there wouldnt be any 91-92 350 Camaro convertibles is that there dont seem to be any 350 t-top Camaros those years. Thats about the only proof that exists. All the cars I saw and there are pictures of at ASC are t-top cars. The whole deal with the ASC conversions is about as clear as mud though, so trying to make absolutes with an entirely gray area is pretty dangerous. I can tell you for fact there were some hardtop cars that left Van Nuys with ASC subframe connectors installed on them... seems that they tried to sneak through SCCA with some stiffened up cars with 'factory' installed parts.
In retrospect it does "look" like I was trying to make a big deal out of your lack of posting, but in fact (at the late hour) I was trying to say it was no biggie, just struck me as odd that your first 2 posts (according to the counter) were basically (seemed to be) harping on me when I had never said a bad thing to or about you. I am ALL for learning new things, people sharing info and facts and your statement about things being clear as mud is basically what I was trying to get across....that GM dealers said one thing (a lot of them anyway) and yet apparently you found one who said something opposite. If anything I am jealous that you got such a bad-*** car when I was trying in that same time frame to find one and had to "settle" for t-top 5-spd 305 TPI's.

I am not familiar with the Livonia plant you speak of, the only two places I can currently remember F-Bods being built were at the Van Nuys, CA plant for ages and the one in Canada. Livonia.....is that a GM F-Body plant, an ASC factory or? Although as I think more on it, it strikes me that there was maybe one other place they were built for a time, but I have no recollection where it was........

And prior to hearing of and then seeing your posts, I had never heard of ANY 350 verts in 3rd gens, ever. And the general concensous was like mine, no such thing. I am GLADLY proven wrong on this subject, but having gone since the mid-80's and never hearing of one, it seemed like a pretty solid fact considering the crap I was given at the So Cal dealerships I hunted at. I just wish I coulda got my hands on one. Apparently the people at your dealership knew something that everyone down there didn't (or wasn't willing to say). But if we look back at the history of the F-Body, especially back in it's heyday of 1st and early 2nd gens, LOTS of cars snuck out the factory door that not many dealers or the general public knew about (COPOS, ZL1's, and all the aftermarket conversions throughout the F-Body life, Meacham, SLP, etc) so it doesn't truly surprise me, more like it caught me off guard after all these years. I am sorry you took that as me being a reason not to want to post here, because I was not on the offensive with you (in my mind anyway)

And it is true, I don't browse TGO often, pretty sure my post count there is under 3 digits - (mostly cuz they don't count posts in the 4 sale section which is where I spend most of my time, searching and looking for another) as I don't currently have a 3rd gen so I would not have seen any posting about cars like yours.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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I'm not surprised you couldnt find one from unknowing dealerships, in 2002 my dad was trying to get a Firehawk and 2 of the dealers he spoke with had no idea what one was. Thats pretty sad. One was insistent there was no such thing even after he explained what it was. I'm not sure on the Livonia thing, ASC's Norwood conversion facility I think. Thats just where the guy said he worked.

SoCal eh? Ever make it over to Bob Longpre in Westminster? They had a bunch floating through there. I drove a red 89 vert right off the showroom floor myself and they had a white and a black vert in the back lot at that time. I had seen others there as well. Couldnt afford it though, so I didnt buy one then. Finally found the one I wanted after looking for many years.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax
I'm not surprised you couldnt find one from unknowing dealerships, in 2002 my dad was trying to get a Firehawk and 2 of the dealers he spoke with had no idea what one was. Thats pretty sad. One was insistent there was no such thing even after he explained what it was. I'm not sure on the Livonia thing, ASC's Norwood conversion facility I think. Thats just where the guy said he worked.

SoCal eh? Ever make it over to Bob Longpre in Westminster? They had a bunch floating through there. I drove a red 89 vert right off the showroom floor myself and they had a white and a black vert in the back lot at that time. I had seen others there as well. Couldnt afford it though, so I didnt buy one then. Finally found the one I wanted after looking for many years.
Never made it to Westminster, spent most of my time searching less scary areas ( ) like L.A. and Ventura/Santa Barbara County.........I grew up in OC so I tried to stay away from places like Wm

Basically I gave up and figured it wasn't possible after 10+ dealerships got done laughing at me.
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