ive been trying to get some information from people regarding the sway bars but i figure petes busy, so do you know if any sway bars are available yet through pedders? or any of the bushings? im ready to do something and i would like to do it before the winter comes or before i store the car.

 

We just got the p/ns for our sway bar kits. We will have 3. They are:

CAMAROSOLUTIONA

27mm Front Swaybars & 2 links

The vast majority of Camaro owners would be changing bars to reduce body lean and improve turn in. Keep in mind that driving a Camaro past 7/10s means you are making extremely high speed maneuvers. Many Camaro owners will never experience factory understeer -- because they don't push that hard when they drive. That doesn't mean they would not have a superior driving experience with a larger diameter front bar. A larger diameter front bar will greatly reduce the lean you feel on the highway or in a turn. It will improve turn in to a point, but when it goes into understeer, it will be worse than with the factory bar. Up to that point, it will provide a very rewarding driving experience. Camaro Solution A Pedders 27mm front bar that ships with urethane D Bushes, Brackets and a Pair of 424218 Adjustable Endlinks. This installation requires the OEM holes for the endlink to be drilled to fit the larger 424218 endlink studs.


Retail $299.99 EA


CAMAROSOLUTIONB
27mm F & R bars & 4 links

For the more aggressive enthusiast Camaro owners, those that want a rewarding driving experience and a reduction in actual understeer Pedders Solution B will be the answer. In this configuration, the front bar is 27mm 428020-27A and the rear bar is 27mm 429020-27A. The transition from slight understeer to slight oversteer will be predictable based on the velocity of the vehicle. The faster the vehicle travels, the faster the vehicle will enter oversteer in a turn. This setup requires the driver to know the difference between understeer and oversteer as well as how to react to both. You have to know when you can lift and when you cannot lift or things will get worse fast. Both bars are adjustable. Start out with the rear bar set to full soft and the front bar to full hard. Work through the adjustment range until you are comfortable with your setup. We encourage ALL Camaro owners to take a performance driving class to learn how to safely operate a high performance vehicle. Solution B includes 27mm front bar, 27mm rear bar, Urethane D bushes and 424218 Adjustable endlinks. This installation requires the OEM holes for endlinks to be drilled to fit the larger 424218 endlink studs.


Retail $599.98 EA

CAMAROSOLUTIONC 27mm F & 32mm R bars & 4 links

Camaro Sway Bar Kit - Includes 428020-27A, 429020-32A, 2- 424218 Pedders Competition Part -- RACING AND OFF ROAD USE ONLY. See Disclaimer below

For drivers that are SCCA or NASA qualified, those expert car control drivers Pedders has put together a track ready sway bar package. The front bar remains at 27mm 428020-27A, but the rear bar increases in diameter to 32mm 429020-32A. The larger rear bar allows you to adjust in the amount of oversteer you desire. Between the front and rear bar adjustments you can create a very loose and very fast track ready Camaro. Make no mistake about it; this is an aggressive setup that ships with a disclaimer. The disclaimer makes clear these are for track use only. We do want you to send us your Podium Finish Pictures and have no interest in your damaged rim from a street incident. We told you before you bought these bars they were for SCCA and NASA qualified drivers for TRACK USE. Once again, you must know your driving limits. This setup is designed for track use by qualified drivers with years of high speed cornering experience. Solution C includes 27mm front bar, 32mm rear bar, D Bushes and Brackets along with 4 4242218 Adjustable Endlinks. This installation requires the OEM holes for endlinks to be drilled to fit the larger 424218 endlink studs. The rear bars is sold as a replacement ONLY for the rear bar in Camaro Solution C. Pedders Competition Part -- RACING AND OFF ROAD USE ONLY. If a Pedders competition part proves defective following its purchase, the buyer and not Pedders, the manufacturer, distributor, or retailer shall be solely responsible for all costs incurred to service or repair the defective Pedders competition part. The end user is solely responsible and assumes all risk associated with the performance of the Pedders competition part No Pedders competition part is street legal or certified under federal motor vehicle safety standards or regulations. Therefore, Pedders competition parts are not intended or certified for use on public roads. Use of this part is at the sole judgment and risk of the end user. Therefore, Pedders competition parts are not intended or certified for use on public roads


Retail $649.98 EA

We now have 3 options for front radius rod bushing enhancements. Systems have already been developed. I finsihed them last week. We started entering the some of the changes and data this mor4ning. We will have approximately 25 systems available for the Camaro. This is a lot, but the are set up logically to be able to meet the needs of a lot of different driving needs and budgets.

We also have 2 options for the rear cradle bushings: inserts that should be good for up to 450hp, and solid bushings for heavy performance, drag racing, and hps over the 450 at the rear

We also have 2 different rear diff mount bushings. One that will allow a very controlled amount of movement and one that is a very sloid bushing that virtually eliminates all rear end movement

We made a design enhancement change to our coil over sets. This will get us able to qualify to the max for some sporting events. Cannot say anymore on this. A large amount of them are in transit right now and left last week.

We have 3 alignment kits for the Camaro.
1. A front kit that will make caster adjustable, and includes camber adjusting bolts that do not come with the Camaro
2. HD rear Camber and toe eccentric kits that asre lasor cut, lifetime warranty, that will give you a greater range of adjustabilitiy
3. Then a kit that will include the front and rear adjusters

GM made a change in one of the bushings from the first run to the vehicles now. Our bushing for this change is in transit now

I know that we have delayed some of our stuff. But we have sometimes been working around the clock on stuff and I think we are all done. Now will come the tests. We have rented Gingerman for the 10th and 11th of this month. Will not be able to mention a lot about the tests, because there will be mutliple magazines there to document it aznd they get testy when you give out info that first must be given out to ther subscribers. But Pete will figure out what we can or cannot give out prior. We Will have a race car there to compare it to. We also have access to current lap times of all vehicles that run there. So this will be a fun event for sure


We have been working for weeks on offering to the Camaro community an definitve anaylsis of the Camaro suspension and wheels and tires review. We should have this available in completed form for all of you very soon. It is broken up into about 14 sections with an index so you will be able to go to a specific section if you desire.


Here are all the systems we will have hopefullly completed in merlin by next week. Systems are great becasue they offer the buyers some nice discounts. I have worked out a spread sheet that basically describes the differences with each system that all can use and see. But most importantly, we will be available to all of you to assist you in which kit will be best for you based on our driving needs, looks, and of coarse budget.

Pedders kits that will be available soon in our merlin store
CAMARO Coil Drop Kit 1
Camaro Coil Performance Drop Kit 2
CAMARO Street 1
Camaro Serious Street 1 Packge

CAMARO SPORT PACKAGE

Camaro Touring DROP kit 1
Camaro Touring Perf. drop Kit II
CAMARO TOURING EXT. Xa kit

Camaro Street ii drop kit 1
Camaro Street ii Plus drop kit 1
Camaro Street II drop Kit II
Camaro Street ii Plus drop kit II

CAMARO STREET EXTREME XA
Street Extreme XA
StreetII Extreme XA PLUS

SERIOUS Track II Perf. Drop Kit II
Track II Perf. Drop Kit II
SERIOUS Track II Drop Kit 1
Track II Drop Kit 1

CAMARO Extreme XA Track
CAMARO SERIOUS Extreme XA Track

G8 BASIC DRAG STRIP KIT
G8 Drag bushing Kit LEVEL 2
G8 Extreme Drag Package
G8 Extreme XA Drag Package


So a lot has been goin on with Pedders the last month or so. We are still working on getting the Revolution Body upgrades up and running. This is taking more time than we thought, but will be up and running in full force when we can service the Camaro community properly with these parts.


thanks to all

mike
dms

 

ok just a few questions. the 27mm f &r sway. why the same size for both? why not larger front and smaller than front bar in the rear? looking at other sway bars, like hotchkis and eibach, what makes the pedders bar better and more $? im not knocking the pedders stuff, im just curious what makes the $ 200 difference between the solution b and hotchkis sway bars. also for the bushings, i dont know whjat items are included in those kits you listed, but do you have a kit for all the bushings? and the most important question is.........When can i order these things and when will i recieve them?

 

hotchkis is using a 32mm up front and a 25 in the rear and eibach is using 29 for the front and rear.

 

Diameter doesn't tell you much if you don't also know whether they changed the geometry at all, the torsional strength of the particular alloy they're using, whether their bars are hollow (and if so, what's the inner diameter), and probably a bunch of other smaller factors as well.

A 27mm solid bar is generally stiffer (and therefore inhibits roll to a greater degree) than an otherwise-equal 32mm hollow bar.

Just FYI. The point is, in order to make a proper comparison, you need a lot more info that what you have here.

I haven't gone out and done any digging to find out what sort of testing Hotchkis and Eibach have done with their bars or how much info they've published about post-install car behavior, but Pedders is here telling you what sort of driving characteristics you'll get with each of the three different setups. The car's behavior after the fact is FAR more important than the actual size of the bar.

 

You are asking great questions. To start, Pedders sway bars are solid bars and solid bars are an average of 15% stronger than hollow. There are engineering notes from Hotchkiss and Whiteline on this. Check out the link on this thread in the sway bar section, and there is a a hyperlink to the engineering notes on this.

https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=714204


I can tell you we have tried a serious amount of sway bar size options, and using g meters, time clocks, and personal yet subjective evaluations, these are the sizes that we have found to be best. I do not know if Hotchkis and Eibach have in fact done these tests. I do know the Hotchkis front bars are not adjustable and ours are.

Another great question: Why are out bars more expensive than Hotchkiss. I will tell you they are not. I do not think you read the evaluations very well. In our testing, we bent the OE end links. therefore, we will only sell our bars with a set of sway bar adjustable end link. These are not just replacement end links. The OEm end links are 8 and 10mm thick. Ours are at 12mm thick. Plus, our ballstud ends are much larger that the OE factory units. You will have to drill out the mounting holes on the front strut and the rear lower control arm to be able to mount them. Opening up the holes from 8mm to 12mm, is seriously easy.

Per the Hotchkis web site, here is the data on the Hotchkis bars:

Hotchkiss Sway bars are 31.75mm front and 25.4mm rear Hollow bars. No adj front, 3 way adj rear
http://www.hotchkis.net/2010_camaro_..._sway_bars.htm

A 32mm hollow bar equals approximately a 27.2mm solid bar
A 25.4mm hollow rear bar equals approximately a 21.6mm solid bar.
Read the article that you can hyperlink from the link above and you will see how this info is obtained. You will also find out on the link that there are other negative issues related to hollow bars that are not good as well.

The additional weight of a solid bar is unimportant when you consider how low it sits.

Now lets compare what will be our most popular bar set:

CAMAROSOLUTIONB
27mm F & R bars & 4 links

For the more aggressive enthusiast Camaro owners, those that want a rewarding driving experience and a reduction in actual understeer Pedders Solution B will be the answer. In this configuration, the front bar is 27mm 428020-27A and the rear bar is 27mm 429020-27A. The transition from slight understeer to slight oversteer will be predictable based on the velocity of the vehicle. The faster the vehicle travels, the faster the vehicle will enter oversteer in a turn. This setup requires the driver to know the difference between understeer and oversteer as well as how to react to both. You have to know when you can lift and when you cannot lift or things will get worse fast. Both bars are adjustable. Start out with the rear bar set to full soft and the front bar to full hard. Work through the adjustment range until you are comfortable with your setup. We encourage ALL Camaro owners to take a performance driving class to learn how to safely operate a high performance vehicle. Solution B includes 27mm front bar, 27mm rear bar, Urethane D bushes and 424218 Adjustable endlinks. This installation requires the OEM holes for endlinks to be drilled to fit the larger 424218 endlink studs.

Briefly, it as:
1. a 27mm Solid front bar, which equals a 31.05mm hollow bar
2. the front Pedders bar is adjustable, the Hotchkiss bar is not
3. A 27mm solid rear bar is equal to a 31.05mm hollow rear bar. The Hotchkiss rear bar is 25.4mm. both rear bars are adjustable, but ours is seriously stronger. This is really important for the understeer assistance.
4. Our kit includes 4 adjustable 12mm HD end links. Hotchkiss bars do not include end links at all. Maybe Hotchkiss bars will not bend end links, but ours will!! that should tell you something.

Did I explain this adequately for you? Here is the link itself for Whiteline

http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bul...%20Swaybar.pdf

Whiteline makes some great stuff and are very strong in the foreign car line market. They make things that Pedders does not. Many Pedders dealers in Au. will also distribute some of the special Whiteline Flatout components.We may soon here in the states as well.

So if you do not believe what I have typed, then the bottom line for you is that our system includes 4 HD 12mm end links, and theres does not. The other companies that do not offer end links with their bars, I would question, and ask it yourself:
1. Why would our Pedders bars bend end links, and the Hotchkis bars not? This should be a fairly logical question to be able to answer.

All the Hotchkis data I got directly from their web site and I included the link so you can see it and check it out yourself.

thanks
mike
dms

 

HERE IS A LINK THAT ALL OF YOU SHOULD SPEND 30-40 MINUTES READING. ESPECIALLY THE NEWBEES


https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=714204

THANKS
MIKE
DMS

 

i understand how things work. im just trying to get some information from someone because i havent been able to get anything about the pedders sway bars until now. im gathering all of my information and then i will make my purchase based on that.

 

Quite honestly, I would just tell the folks at Pedders what kind of driving you do or plan to do, and get whatever they say to get.

 

well that clears alot of that up. i must have missed the part that said your bars were solid. i knew the hotchkis and eibach were hollow. it makes sense to me. i just was curious what makes your better and why the price difference was there and i see it now.

so the other question, which i saw you missed was, when can i place an order and are they in stock?

also the bushing. im interested in doing a few bushings in the rear of the car. are these sold in complete sets or just sets depending on the part of the car?

 

fast......highway......road course....

 

I apologize for us taking so long on the info. But the 32mm bar that we were testing, got stuck in customs for a very long time. We have tested quite a few bars to come up with the 3 combos that we have prepared.

If you have any questions, just ask

mike
dms

 

Yes, Yes, Yes.



mike
dms

 

so.....when can i order and when can i receive????

 

any idea???