I'll give you this much. If Holden knew where the price of oil were going, the Zeta would likely be smaller and a hundred or two pounds lighter, and then you'd be happier. Of course, the back seat would be smaller, and there'd likely be some other sacrifice (simpler lighter IRS, less rigid platform, ???) but if you're building a Camaro, who cares (maybe)! So in that context, a 3700 pound 400hp V8 Camaro would better be described as the road not taken, rather than a fantasy.

 

Thankfully SOMEONE around here is actually giving us some information! If that's correct it's incredible, but it is a heavy car.

 

I'd say the weight is slightly more shocking than the power. If true it's about 200 lbs over what I'd thought we'd get. But on the plus side the Z28 is a bit more powerful than I thought. I was thinking more 3800 lbs with 500hp. But those are huge numbers on both counts and if true the gas mileage on premium $5 gas will be very interesting ~ gas guzzler tax for sure.

The Z28 with a blown LSA reminds me of the Terminator Cobra and Condor GT500 it will be a drag strip darling off the showroom floor! 520hp pushing 4000 lbs could pull upper 11's stock but the IRS will really be under stress. And I hope GM stiffens up any non-forged internals on the LSA (yes pistons too) as it will be put to the test more in the Camaro than CTS-V.

SS sounds like a better buy but even still that 3900 lbs is alarming even with 430hp. Interesting news.

 

Just remember that this is about 200 pounds lighter than the G8 GXP, which is actually a significant weight reduction. The Challenger drops less than 100 pounds from the Charger.

I'm sure the Camaro team worked hard to drop that weight.

 

By the way, combining this with the focus group thread...

LS3

3877 with the manual.
3914 with the auto.

Of course, this could all just be garbage in, garbage out.

 

Well I'm sure they did but I would've thought in the re-engineering of Zeta to a 2dr sport coupe more weight would have been cut. I was under the impression that Chrysler didn't do as much re-engineering for the Challenger from the Charger as GM did on Zeta for the Camaro.

I'll have to look for the G8 GXP's expected curb weight. I thought the G8 GT was listed at 3995 lbs. An LS3 sawp shouldn't raise the engine weight. But bigger wheels and tires or brakes and different body panels probably would.

I guess I'm a bit to see the potential for a 4000 lb Camaro. It's just certain numbers look so much worse. Like a recent trip to the pump and $4.09 gas recently make me do a double take. Even if there is nothing that can be done still seeing the big number in black and white just causes the eyes to get wide.

 

This subject has been gone over several times on the website, so I'll give you the executive summary: It really doesn't save weight losing the two doors. Just look at other cars that have both sedan and coupe versions. In some cases (G35/G37) weight is actually higher on the two-door model.


It's actually 4050 for the G8 GXP with A6. So more like 136 pounds, assuming we can trust numbers that I've inferred from rumors (i.e. don't be surprised if they're wrong). But we don't know how equipment will compare.

 

The weight is a little disappointing. I was hoping the SS would come in around the 3700-3800 lb. range, with the Z/28 at 3900 lbs.

That being said, removing a few unnecessary items from the car should bring the weight down.

I don't know if the Z/28 will hit mid-11's - at the power levels we're talking about, with an IRS, traction will be a serious issue.

 

You are not the only one disappointed by this. Over two tons??? That is absurd. When is anyone going to tap into 520rwhp on a regular basis? Whenever you drive the car, take a turn, hit the brakes, fill up with gas, etc, you are going to feel its lard *** in action however.

 

I wonder if the Mustang guys were this upset about the GT500's weight...

 

They should have been and so should the people on here. But then again, like most Mustang owners, there are many on here who love it simply because of the name on it and others who can be bought off by high horsepower numbers.

 

Of course there was a road not taken. But this road was taken for a number of reasons. I've ranted about it in the past already - what's done is done. I'm sure if GM's product planners were given a "re-do" on this, they'd approach it differently.

I just hope that this car is a sales success during what I expect to be, a very attenuated life-cycle. I doubt more and more if I'll end up buying one, but I hope you do, and I hope lots of other people do as well.

 

I think mid to upper 11's is certainly possible. Now that I know what your looking for a Solstice with an LS2 conversion would be SWEET, expensive, but SWEET!

 

Mid 11's would require extremely good traction and a warranty-able drivetrain. Don't hold your breathe.

I'm not looking for a Solstice at all. I was hoping for a Camaro.

 

At 4k #'s, it's still pretty heavy considering my SUV weighs only 800#'s more.

Then again, my SUV has run a 12.2@110mph ~ so I won't complain if the new "super" Camaro weighs 400#'s more than the 4th gens, yet has another 200rwhp on tap. It may run similar times as what I run now, due to the IRS.......but it'll be much more fun getting there