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Road and Track SS = LS3, Z28 = LSA etc.

Old May 21, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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Road and Track SS = LS3, Z28 = LSA etc.

Looked and didn't see this anywhere in here:

Worried that the Camaro is being overexposed before its launch next year, Chevrolet has gone mum with official word about the car, while going to the unusual step of testing cars without camouflage in the hopes that spy photographers and the public would tire of seeing the same cars over and over again. Fat chance.

Recently, the Camaro underwent testing at the Nürburgring and we've taken the liberty of adding some stripes and badging to the cars to give a better picture of what it will look like in production trim. Our sources tell us the sheet metal on the test cars is accurate, so what you see in terms of the car's Coke bottle-shaped body, power dome hood with a slit scoop, non-functional louvers ahead of the rear wheels and Corvette-inspired double-bubble roof treatment is what you will get.

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The Nürburgring test is significant because this is the first time Holden, which has lead responsibility for the Zeta platform and therefore the Camaro, has tested at the famed German track. As a result of that learning curve, the best unofficial lap times we've been able to obtain from observers on the scene are around the 9-minute mark — certainly well off the blistering pace set by the Corvette ZR1 at 7:40 and the Nissan GT-R Spec V, which ran an unofficial 7:25. We expect to see the Camaro's lap time closer to the magical 8-minute mark by the time the car is ready for production.

The Nürburgring tests also revealed some other Camaro nuggets, such as the use of 4-piston Brembo brakes and 20-in. wheels shod with Pirelli P245/45ZR-20 tires on the SS version. Non-SS models, which will be powered by V-6s, appear to have 18-in. wheels and higher-profile tires. Both of these wheel and tire combinations, along with suspension settings, were being tested during the session in Germany.

An insider who's driven the car says the performance of the new Camaro "will take 35 years off your life."

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Spy photos also revealed that the interior will be very close to the concept car that made its debut at the 2006 North American International Auto Show. The round speedometer and tach are contained in two rectangular chrome-edged bezels behind a 3-spoke steering wheel. The center stack containing the sound system and climate controls is a rounded, organic design, while below are four retro-inspired auxiliary gauges also surrounded by rectangular bezels. While the original cluster included the fuel and coolant temperature gauges, those critical readouts have been relocated to the main instrument cluster. Now, the four console-mounted gauges are for oil temperature, oil pressure, voltage and a new readout showing engine torque output.

Slated to bow in the first quarter of 2009 as an early 2010 model, it's expected that the Camaro will be offered in three trim levels — LS, LT and SS. The base LS may be powered by Chevy's 3.5-liter pushrod V-6 making about 220 bhp. The LT models would use the overhead-cam direct-injected 3.6-liter V-6 developing upward of 300 bhp, while the SS will be powered by a 6.2-liter LS3 V-8 (similar to that found in the Corvette) tuned to produce around 400–405 bhp. A year after launch, Chevy will introduce a convertible version and after that a high-performance Z28 model with a super-charged 6.2-liter sibling to the Corvette ZR1's LS9 motor known as the LSA. That engine would make somewhere in the neighborhood of 480–500 bhp and is similar to the engine used in the upcoming Cadillac CTS-V.

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In light of increasing gas prices, a crash program has been initiated to study the feasibility of offering the 260-bhp turbocharged 2.0-liter four (used in the HHR SS and Cobalt SS) as a possible base engine to replace the 3.5-liter V-6. However, that engine may not be offered until the 2011–2012 model year.

The Camaro will offer a choice of 6-speed automatic or manual transmissions. While both have beefy gearchange levers with baseball-size shift *****, in the automatic-equipped car we didn't see any provision for a sequential-shift mode on either the shift gate or on the steering wheel or column.

Slated to go up against the Dodge Challenger and Ford Mustang, the Camaro offers a fully independent suspension (like the Dodge) compared with the Ford's live rear axle. Despite the added cost of the independent rear, Chevy is looking to keep base prices in the $20,000–$30,000 bracket, while the SS model could be in the mid- to upper- $30,000 range.

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6814
Old May 21, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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I'm gonna call BS on the 3.5. That engine is on its way out in general. If there are two V6s I think it will be the non-DI and DI versions of the 3.6.
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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The Camaro will offer a choice of 6-speed automatic or manual transmissions. While both have beefy gearchange levers with baseball-size shift *****, in the automatic-equipped car we didn't see any provision for a sequential-shift mode on either the shift gate or on the steering wheel or column.
We already know its got the paddle shifters on the back of the steering wheel.

Otherwise just more speculation by a magazine editor..
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Anyone notice the SS badges in the rear?
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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Yeah, because it's photoshopped.
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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That is a better article than what MT and C&D have delivered. Seems just a bit off in engines 3.5L but they seem have a good grasp of the lineup. Also why would an SS have Z/28 stripes??
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
Anyone notice the SS badges in the rear?
The front has them too. Notice that it says those images are "photo illustrated" (photoshopped).

It's just the black car we've seen before photoshopped to have SS trim. I highly doubt the production SS won't have a rear spoiler. And it still has the "not the real" headlights.
Old May 21, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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SS model in the mid to upper 30K range? Then later the Z28 with supercharged V8?
If true, so much for the bang for your buck heritage where your average joe could
afford one. I truly hope there is a V8 in the high 20's available. Also if true, this is a
big mistake on Chevy's part. Can you say Mustang GT? For the record I DO think it is
BS and an affordable V8 will be available.
Old May 21, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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For the love of God. If they can Photoshop strips and SS badges why cant ONE magazine out of the many putting their photoshop variation of the car, photoshop Bumblebee headlights on the thing???
Old May 21, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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I guess the G8 will still be the fastest car for under 30k.
Old May 21, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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I've got to believe they'll have a V8 offered in the high $20Ks, similar to Mustang. DI or not, it'll be a tough sell for even a 300 HP V6 against a V8 Mustang GT. The only way I see the V8 moving into the $30Ks is if that's where the GT is moving.

I like the idea of offering multiple V6s as the LS/LT trims which are consistent with other Chevys (I'll guess the badges won't appear on the car). I personally wouldn't even rule out a hybrid or increased fuel economy variant, assuming it retained performance characteristics.
Old May 21, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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One NA V6 and one non-NA V6.
Old May 21, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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Interesting article. The exterior of the car looks really, really nice. Will have to wait to see the interior up closer. Jury is still out on the interior, in my mind. Will have to wait to see it in person. The oil temp gauge is a great. Knew about the torque gauge....would much prefer something useful instead. Mid-upper 30's for a V8 Camaro....that's an ouch. Hope it is wrong.
Old May 21, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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Well, they said the G8 GXP was going to be $38K and I am hearing $33K base from the dealers around here. I guess we will just have to cross our fingers.
Old May 22, 2008 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by polo3433
I guess the G8 will still be the fastest car for under 30k.
Until they announce the price increase on the 2009 models. Given the speed with which the 2008 G8 GTs were snapped up, I expect a healthy adder.

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